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Kevin Grandia |
A Global Warming Swindle play-by-play12 Mar 07
The UK Channel 4 documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle " has been touted by deniers and slammed by a lot of others, including one scientist who appeared in the film. Having taken a quick glance over the movie, the first thing that jumps out is that it's the same guys we write about on DSBlog all the time. There's nothing new here that we have not heard ad naseum from the same handful of global warming deniers. Here's a few obvious points: Putting lipstick on a Llama: Tim Ball, retired professor at the University of Winnipeg's department of geography, has magically turned into "Professor Tim Ball, University of Winnipeg, Department of Climatology." Here's some more on Tim Ball. $100 in iTunes to the first person to find the elusive department of climatology at the University of Winnipeg. I'll even give you the list of departments at U of W to make it easier. To continue: Water vapour makes up 95% of the atmosphere, C02 is unimportant. Again, I will first ask: Do you think the world's climate scientists are unaware of this? Do you think that they have all (in their mass money-making conspiracy) just ignored this in their scientific conclusions? The answer is no, scientists are well-aware of water vapour. Unfortunately the best debunking of the water vapour myth is quite technical, but it is the best one around and is written by a scientist here. And surpise, surpise here comes Dr. Fredrick Singer. This is the same guy who challenged the effects of second-hand tobacco smoke. Not to mention the fact that he is affiliated with 11 think tanks and associations that have recieved funding from oil-giant ExxonMobil. Then comes Carl Wunsch who is kicking himself for even appearing in the film. Philip Stott and solar variability: "Isn't it bizarre to think that is humans, you know, when we are filling up our car, turning on our lights, we're the ones controlling climate? Just look up in the sky at that massive thing the sun." And here's where we start into the really good material. "Even humans are our $6.5 billion are minute compared to that [the sun]." So here's some more on the skeptic's solar variability argument. And I leave off with a seriously ticked MIT professor, Carl Wunsch, who states that: "The Great Global Warming Swindle, was 'grossly distorted' and 'as close to pure propaganda as anything since World War Two.'" Here's the film: > the great global warming swindle channel 4 tim ball climate change global warming carl wunsch fred singer |
do I win?
"Here's some more on Tim Ball. $100 in iTunes to the first person to find the elusive department of climatology at the University of Winnipeg." Dropdown menu.
Thanks for a great post. The
Thanks for a great post. The "Swindle" movie seems to have made an impression on some Slashdot members, e.g.
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=226173&cid=18326897
I posted a link to your blog entry by way of rebuttal: see my coment on Slashdot at http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=226173&cid=18328073
And thanks for the thanks
As of this posting Google
As of this posting Google Video has The Great Global Warming Swindle at 125,311 views, and rising.
That's probably a few more people than are reading this web site, I'd guess.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&q=global+warming+swindle
Yes, but we'll still be here
Hold on to that dream, Kevin!
... not unlike your delusional fantasies:

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uhhhh... it's a graph. Did
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Delusional?
The only delusions around here are people that think Alexa is a good web traffic metric. Have you ever noticed our real estate on Google? No delusions there. Have you noticed our ranking on technorati? 10,146 out of 22 million.
Sorry, how am I delusional?
what's up with that
http://technorati.com/blogs/http://www.desmogblog.com/
A relative indicator:
1,844 links from 319 blogs
Compare to various examples
http://technorati.com/blogs/http://www.nationalcenter.org/Blog.html
381 links from 234 blogs
http://technorati.com/blogs/http://www.climateaudit.org/
314 links from 111 blogs
Another example of swindle/fraud
They showed a graph to make the point that "most of the recent warming occurred before 1940 with only a small amount occurring after 1940.” They wanted to make this point since it is known that CO2 increases are much higher in recent years than in earlier years so this would "disprove" the connection between increased CO2 and increased temperatures.
To back up this "assertion" they showed a graph that clearly shows much bigger increases in temperature for the beginning half of the last century compared to the latter half.
However, the graph they produced is fraudulent. It follows exactly a graph of temperature versus time that is accepted by the climate science community. However, they moved the time axis by about ten years and cut off the last few years. This is not just an argument of the ”we said, you said” variety but is deliberate fraud. Whoever did this should be identified and taken to task.
This clearly show the levels the deniers are having to go to try and make their “science” look right.
This is discussed at stoat:
"More TGGWS fakery", http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2007/03/more_tggws_fakery.php
It's interesting: last night
It's interesting: last night the film on Youtube was entitled The Great Global Warming Swindle a BBC Documentary. As I pointed out to someone, it was shown on Channel 4 in the UK not BBC. I see today that that has been corrected.
Link here
Also there is an article in The Independent
"...Other graphs used in the film contained known errors, notably the graph of sunspot activity. Mr Durkin used data on solar cycle lengths which were first published in 1991 despite a corrected version being available - but again the corrected version would not have supported his argument. Mr Durkin also used a schematic graph of temperatures over the past 1,000 years that was at least 16 years old, which gave the impression that today's temperatures are cooler than during the medieval warm period. If he had used a more recent, and widely available, composite graph it would have shown average temperatures far exceed the past 1,000 years."
Cause or effect?
Yeah...I'm all ears.
The CO2 Lag...and Other Things
Great Global Warming Swindle
Check out realclimate.org
If you want an understanding of CO2 and temperature correlations over the past ice ages read these two posts on realclimate.org:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/02/what-triggers-ice-ages/
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/co2-in-ice-cores/
It always amazes me that those who discount AGW are eager to claim that there are many factors affecting present day climate (sun, CR's, etc) but when it comes to looking at the past they will only accept one factor (CO2) when it suits their false arguments.
Of course there are many factors that affect climate over geological time (note 100 years is not geological time). These are factored into the models and it is found that for the past 100 years CO2 concentrations are the main (60-70%) drivers of global warming.
In the past, orbital variation (Milankovitch cycles) was the main cause of ice ages. The change in temperature then modulates CO2 concentrations. After a lag, CO2 concentration becomes the main driver.
Good science acknowledges all relevant factors and can explain them; poor science concentrates on one factor and cannot explain changes in temperatures over a long period of time.
Ian Forrester
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