That didn't take long. Thanks to our good friend down-under at Larvatus Prodeo.
Enjoy! Now all we need up is the Tony Jones Interview.
UPDATE: Here's the Tony Jones Interview with Martin Durkin.
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The enviros-are-nazis angle cracked me up. Like caring for the environment really aligns you with eugenics and state control (you know, how greens are always protesting because they want more genetically modified foods and less wilderness).
Racist, Hitler, Nazi science!? Oh my. ABC sure can pick 'em.
This seems to explain it (thanks for the link) as an attack of the local Larouchites!
Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd announced that the government will move ahead to establish a company that will build and operate a fibre-to-the-home national broadband network. It will create a huge broadband infrastructure from shore to shore, from Melbourne to Bondi which will no doubt have some people running for payday cash advance loans for computers. Many will now be able to stream and download at incredible speed, and watch ARL and Bledisloe Cup matches live on the computer. (Broadband – something to rub in to the Kiwis!) You have to get payday cash advance loans to get broadband in places other than Australia.
The guy who was so full of himself when he started spouting about
C14 in coal
"in copious measurable amounts". What ever that means?! It can't be both!Whilst C14 in coal is sometimes measurable, it's
hardly in copious amounts.
As for his claim of
"over 70 reports",
this would seem to be hyperbole as would his other remarks.
Unless one includes
creationist websites,
rather than scientific ones
.The creationist 'froth', is because they believe it means they can prove a young earth < 6000 years. Rather than the 4.7 billion years!
How did it get there? Well if it were there because the earth was very young, it would be present in the ratio determined by radioactive decay. It sounds like that from the limited amount of reliable information available, that there wasn't much!
It is known that the C14 must have been there for less than 50 ky.
So presence of C14 in the deposits means that either the coal deposits are young, or it's got there by one or more secondary processes. Since it's possible to determine the age of coal deposits stratigraphically, we can be fairly certain that the coal is tens of millions of years old at least. In some cases it will be possible to infer the age by other means e.g. K-Ar dating.
It is known that:
The levels of C14 correlate with the radioactivity of the surrounding rocks. There is also a possibility that some C14 may be produced by solar neutrinos.
So:
It looks like in-situ production of new C14 is the best-supported hypothesis; research is ongoing, and new research on the deep subterranean bacteria.
One of the things overlooked by the triumphalist creationist [he must be a creationist idiot because he referred to claims of coal being millions or billions of years old] prattling on in the debate is the fact that annually we are putting ~ 7.2 GTC of carbon into the atmosphere and we're not taking it out! Admittedly natural processes are removing about half of this.
But the the importance of C14 in coal is largely irrelevant. Although it would be nice to know exactly how the tiny amounts of it really got there, so that the creationists and man made GW can be made to shut-up. As usual, this will be being brought-up for decades by Exxon fundies.
Personally, I think his supreme noodliness, the Flying Spaghetti Monster put it there! ;)
Incredible. These skeptics have no arguments left that haven't been debunked, so now they try to smear people by calling them (implicitly) eugenicists. Good job, nice try. If you can't refute the messenger, throw shit at him. I couldn't believe that that guy claimed Kepler discovered "universal gravity". Um, yeah, you mean Isaac Newton? I think that more or less indicates the general intelligence of those skeptics. While the "discussion" was entertaining by seeing people make fools out of themselves, the only thing left were people making statements and not really asking questions. My favorite part "So more people is a good thing?" Yeah, cause the enviromental movement wants to exterminate billions of people to avoid overpopulation.
Do the ABC not have broadcast assistants checking what the audience want to say first?