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Canadian bank report plugs pollution taxes in climate-change fight

The bank’s chief economist says taxing those who actually pollute creates an incentive to change behavior. The tax should be applied when pollution is created, he said. Thus, the consumer would pay for car pollution, and industry would pay for pollution associated with production.

In an emissions-trading system, companies that reach their emissions targets can sell credits to other companies who can't seem to lower their greenhouse gas output.

Joining an international system might not appeal to Canadians at the moment, the report said, but Canada should get involved in a domestic emissions-trading scheme soon with an eye to connecting to the bigger markets later.

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#46215
Johan i Kanada. +0; Thu, 2007-03-08 12:48; Price on pollution, sure, but
Johan i Kanada (not verified)
what's that gotta do with CO2?
#46217
Kevin Grandia. +1; Thu, 2007-03-08 13:37; Errr...

Did you read the article Johan or this another drive-by smearing?

To quote:

"They advocate a policy that combines emissions regulations, taxes, subsidies and a trading system for emissions credits – a varied approach they say would mitigate the impact on the economy."

Here's some more information on emissions trading.

And here's a picture if you prefer that:

Carbon from cars

#46220
Johan i Kanada. +0; Thu, 2007-03-08 14:03; As I said, tax on pollution,
Johan i Kanada (not verified)
sure, but what's that gotta do with CO2? Emissions (e.g. car emissions) contain many harmful substances, but CO2 is not one of them.
#46223
Kevin Grandia. +1; Thu, 2007-03-08 14:13; Again

"They advocate a policy that combines emissions regulations, taxes, subsidies and a trading system for emissions credits – a varied approach they say would mitigate the impact on the economy."

 

And again:

 

Carbon from cars

 

And to add:

Cars are a huge emitter of CO2, if we bring in higher fuel efficiency standards (i.e. we burn less gas to go further) we emit less C02.

 

And finally to quote the article again:

"The revenues would be shifted into cutting taxes in other areas or to finance subsidies that further help the environment."

Seriously, I don't get your point!?

#46225
Johan i Kanada. +0; Thu, 2007-03-08 14:18; CO2 is not a pollutant
Johan i Kanada (not verified)
but to tax pollutants would be ok. Do you understand now?
#46226
Kevin Grandia. +1; Thu, 2007-03-08 14:20; ah, gotcha
However, water isn't a pollutant, nor is it harmful until it's up over your head.
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#46239
geoff. +0; Thu, 2007-03-08 17:00; A pollutant is defined as
geoff (not verified)
A pollutant is defined as anything that in sufficient quantaties will cause harm. It's like calling something a weed. It's only so if it bothers you.
#46242
jokehan. +0; Thu, 2007-03-08 18:44; agreed
jokehan (not verified)
CO2 by that definition would be a pollutant. Jokehan the denier with his head up his ass does make a point. Unfortunately, its a dumb one that really doesn't add to the discussion.

We just end up having to waste our time refuting and explaining his wierd rationsles for not doing anything about global warming.

Bad little denier jokehan!
#46257
Johan i Kanada. +0; Thu, 2007-03-08 22:39; By that definiton
Johan i Kanada (not verified)
anything is a pollutant, which makes the definition meaningless. You can do better than that.
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Anonymous. +0; Thu, 2007-03-08 13:39; That's a flame, JIK
Anonymous (not verified)
... and it doesn't reflect well on your disposition.
#46221
Johan i Kanada. +0; Thu, 2007-03-08 14:06; Flame?
Johan i Kanada (not verified)
Why is this a flame? It's just a neutral statement.
#46227
Kevin Grandia. +1; Thu, 2007-03-08 14:22; Agreed, not a flame
But, please, please save us from going down the "C02 is good for us" route -- even ExxonMobil can't swallow that argument anymore.
#46258
Johan i Kanada. +0; Thu, 2007-03-08 22:41; Unlike you
Johan i Kanada (not verified)
I don't care much what Exxon thinks about CO2. Unlike you, I am completetely independent of corporate donations.
#46328
admin. +1; Fri, 2007-03-09 11:48; Ever heard of too much of a good thing?
Fluoride is good in your toothpaste but a pound of it is not. A healthy level fo CO2 is good while rapidly accelerating levels are not. Many "pollutants" occur naturally at low levels. At high levels they are poisonous. In any case, you are dilatory.
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Anonymous. +0; Fri, 2007-03-09 08:12; European targets
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Is the EU's new renewable energy target enough to stem the tide of global warming? Article with useful facts and statistics
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peterson77. +1; Thu, 2009-07-16 00:01; Car Credit

This is a great effort indeed against environmental pollution. Here I want to give some information on car credit.Currently the phrase 'car credit' is used interchangeably with car loan and car finance. If you have a bad credit history then lenders charge higher interest rates as they see you as a "risk" to lend too. However if you have a good credit rating then you will be open to choose from the best rates on the market.

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Jack Thornleigh. +1; Wed, 2009-08-26 23:11; This pollution tax will be

This pollution tax will be interesting once it is implemented fully, as it may or may not change consumer behavior. After all, taxes are just one piece of the puzzle. Another element to consider is car insurance, which can also influence which vehicles consumers purchase. Consumers may be more likely to purchase low emission vehicles if they receive financial incentives for doing so. In addition to higher tax rates, the government may want to look into partnerships with the insurance industry to further incentivize environmentally responsible behavior. Consumers need incentives to make real changes, and it is important to approach that change from more than one angle.
car insurance

About the climate cover-up

About the climate cover-up

Democracy is utterly dependent upon an electorate that is accurately informed. In promoting climate change denial (and often denying their responsibility for doing so) industry has done more than endanger the environment. It has undermined democracy.

There is a vast difference between putting forth a point of view, honestly held, and intentionally sowing the seeds of confusion. Free speech does not include the right to deceive. Deception is not a point of view. And the right to disagree does not include a right to intentionally subvert the public awareness.

Although all public relations professionals are bound by a duty to not knowingly mislead the public, some have executed comprehensive campaigns of misinformation on behalf of industry clients on issues ranging from tobacco and asbestos to seat belts.

Lately, these fringe players have turned their efforts to creating confusion about climate change. This PR campaign could not be accomplished without the compliance of media as well as the assent and participation of leaders in government and business.

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