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Canadian bank report plugs pollution taxes in climate-change fight

The bank’s chief economist says taxing those who actually pollute creates an incentive to change behavior. The tax should be applied when pollution is created, he said. Thus, the consumer would pay for car pollution, and industry would pay for pollution associated with production.

In an emissions-trading system, companies that reach their emissions targets can sell credits to other companies who can't seem to lower their greenhouse gas output.

Joining an international system might not appeal to Canadians at the moment, the report said, but Canada should get involved in a domestic emissions-trading scheme soon with an eye to connecting to the bigger markets later.

What's next?

Price on pollution, sure, but

what's that gotta do with CO2?

That's a flame, JIK

... and it doesn't reflect well on your disposition.

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Flame?

Why is this a flame? It's just a neutral statement.

Agreed, not a flame

But, please, please save us from going down the "C02 is good for us" route -- even ExxonMobil can't swallow that argument anymore.

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European targets

Is the EU's new renewable energy target enough to stem the tide of global warming? Article with useful facts and statistics

Unlike you

I don't care much what Exxon thinks about CO2. Unlike you, I am completetely independent of corporate donations.

Ever heard of too much of a good thing?

Fluoride is good in your toothpaste but a pound of it is not. A healthy level fo CO2 is good while rapidly accelerating levels are not. Many "pollutants" occur naturally at low levels. At high levels they are poisonous. In any case, you are dilatory.

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Errr...

Did you read the article Johan or this another drive-by smearing?

To quote:

"They advocate a policy that combines emissions regulations, taxes, subsidies and a trading system for emissions credits – a varied approach they say would mitigate the impact on the economy."

Here's some more information on emissions trading.

And here's a picture if you prefer that:

Carbon from cars

As I said, tax on pollution,

sure, but what's that gotta do with CO2? Emissions (e.g. car emissions) contain many harmful substances, but CO2 is not one of them.

Again

"They advocate a policy that combines emissions regulations, taxes, subsidies and a trading system for emissions credits – a varied approach they say would mitigate the impact on the economy."

 

And again:

 

Carbon from cars

 

And to add:

Cars are a huge emitter of CO2, if we bring in higher fuel efficiency standards (i.e. we burn less gas to go further) we emit less C02.

 

And finally to quote the article again:

"The revenues would be shifted into cutting taxes in other areas or to finance subsidies that further help the environment."

Seriously, I don't get your point!?

CO2 is not a pollutant

but to tax pollutants would be ok. Do you understand now?

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A pollutant is defined as

A pollutant is defined as anything that in sufficient quantaties will cause harm. It's like calling something a weed. It's only so if it bothers you.

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By that definiton

anything is a pollutant, which makes the definition meaningless. You can do better than that.

agreed

CO2 by that definition would be a pollutant. Jokehan the denier with his head up his ass does make a point. Unfortunately, its a dumb one that really doesn't add to the discussion.

We just end up having to waste our time refuting and explaining his wierd rationsles for not doing anything about global warming.

Bad little denier jokehan!

ah, gotcha

However, water isn't a pollutant, nor is it harmful until it's up over your head.

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About the climate cover-up

About the climate cover-up

Democracy is utterly dependant upon an electorate that is accurately informed. In promoting climate change denial (and often denying their responsibility for doing so) industry has done more than endanger the environment. It has undermined democracy.

There is a vast difference between putting forth a point of view, honestly held, and intentionally sowing the seeds of confusion. Free speech does not include the right to deceive. Deception is not a point of view. And the right to disagree does not include a right to intentionally subvert the public awareness.

Although all public relations professionals are bound by a duty to not knowingly mislead the public, some have executed comprehensive campaigns of misinformation on behalf of industry clients on issues ranging from tobacco and asbestos to seat belts.

Lately, these fringe players have turned their efforts to creating confusion about climate change. This PR campaign could not be accomplished without the compliance of media as well as the assent and participation of leaders in government and business.

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