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Climate Change Deniers Deluded: UK Met Office

"Anyone who thinks global warming has stopped has their head in the sand. The evidence is clear, the long-term trend in global temperatures is rising, and humans are largely responsible for this rise. Global warming does not mean that each year will be warmer than the last."

- UK Met Office, as quoted in The Guardian

 

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#555716
SmarterThanRichard. +0; Tue, 2008-09-23 06:32; Carbon tax a bust? Looks
SmarterThanRichard (not verified)

Carbon tax a bust? Looks like E.U. members are suffering from carbon tax plans and Kyoto commitments. Last night (September 22, 2008) on Mike Duffy live the first hint that the national media is starting to question global warming. Here is a little article about the great Elizabeth May for your enjoyment.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/GIS.Servlets.HTMLTemplate?current_row=1&tf=tgam/columnists/FullColumn.html&cf=tgam/columnists/FullColumn.cfg&configFileLoc=tgam/config&date=&dateOffset=&hub=margaretWente&title=Margaret_Wente&cache_key=margaretWente&start_row=1&num_rows=1

#555725
Rick. +0; Tue, 2008-09-23 06:37; can't find the article. that
Rick (not verified)

can't find the article. that URI brings me to the film critic page.

#555754
JR Wakefield. +1; Tue, 2008-09-23 06:51; The Duff

Yes, I saw that last night. The realities of the EU are now starting to show up here.

#555740
SmarterThanRichard. +0; Tue, 2008-09-23 06:43; Here it is... "What's not to
SmarterThanRichard (not verified)

Here it is...

"What's not to like about Ms. May?

She is genuine and sincere, but it's hard to take her Green Party's policies seriously

By MARGARET WENTE
mwente@globeandmail.com

Saturday, September 20, 2008 – Page A27

NEW GLASGOW, N.S. -- Elizabeth May can talk your ear off. She has facts and figures at her fingertips. She can talk for hours and hours about her carbon-tax plan and how it will transform our economy. It's hard to get a word in edgewise, so finally I start interrupting. How the heck are you going to sell people on higher gas taxes? How can we tackle global warming when India and China have told us to get lost?

"Can I finish the answer!" she barks, and then, "I never said that! Haven't you read our policy documents?" She tells me Germany has created 400,000 new jobs in green technologies. Finally, I interrupt to ask why she thinks it's feasible to stabilize global greenhouse gas emissions by 2015 - by all accounts, an impossible target. "You are really a tough interviewer!" she says in exasperation. "I wanted you to like me. And I don't think you do."

That's nonsense. Everybody likes Elizabeth May. She is the People's Choice - the spunky underdog who muscled her way into the old boys' club of the leadership debates. Even though the Green Party has never elected a single MP, she has persuaded the national media to take her seriously. They seek her out for quotes and deliver daily updates on her campaign tour - just as they do for the Old Boys. In English Canada, she has attained the status of a legitimate fourth party.

The reason for her popularity is no mystery. People see her as genuine and sincere - an anti-politician who's in it for a good cause, not for herself. They like the way she takes potshots at the big guys. As an environmental activist, she's been on the stage for 30 years - ever since she made her name battling forest companies that were using herbicides to wipe out the spruce budworm. She is a polished, and indefatigable, public speaker who relishes her image as a giant-killer.

We scoot a few blocks across town for an interview with the CBC. The studio consists of a camera set up on the sidewalk. Her rival Peter MacKay, the Conservative Defence Minister, is already there, doing a sound bite about Afghanistan. They hug affectionately, then Ms. May does a flawless two-minute monologue on the Green Party's economic policy. Across the street, several heavily tattooed citizens lounging on a broken-down old sofa give her the thumbs-up.

Ms. May has a gift for persuading powerful and important men to do what she wants. Astoundingly, she persuaded Stéphane Dion not to run a Liberal in this riding (a decision that still has local Liberals hopping mad). Even so, she stands zero chance of winning against the popular Mr. MacKay. This area has been sending MacKays to Ottawa since 1971. So why run here, instead of someplace where she might actually have a shot? "I've won most of the campaigns I've ever fought, against impossible odds," she says firmly. "I'm not particularly impressed when people tell me what the odds are."

New Glasgow is not exactly a hotbed of environmentalism. The town is a two-hour drive from Halifax, in the middle of picturesque Pictou County. It's a land of rolling hills, small towns, white church spires, and deep roots. Unemployment is high and incomes are low, and big old charming houses come cheap. For people with good jobs, the quality of life is fabulous. For others, there are the Alberta oil fields.

"The boys used to come back every three months," says a single mother named Colleen, whose brother has gone west. "But a lot of them don't do that any more. It's too depressing." Colleen holds down two jobs to make ends meet. She likes Elizabeth May, even though she doesn't know a thing about the party's policies. "She's a strong woman."

The next day in Halifax, Ms. May unveils her election platform under glorious sunny skies. All the major media show up. Unlike other environmental crusaders (see: David Suzuki), she does not preach doom and gloom. She does not warn that the world will end unless we mend our wicked, wicked ways. Instead, she is cheery and full of uplift. Her carbon plan will cure just about everything that ails us. It will even pay for universal day care.

She has freely admitted that her key idea of shifting taxes from incomes to carbon is the same as Mr. Dion's. The difference, she insists, is that "I can explain it better than he can." She tells the cameras that her economic plans are realistic, business-friendly and fiscally responsible, and waves some Excel spreadsheets to prove it. "All the countries that have implemented tax-shifting plans have found that they work." But her message goes far beyond mere economics. She also promises a slower, kinder, closer-knit and more community-minded world - something that resembles New Glasgow back in the fifties, only better.

Not all the onlookers are buying. "There's something noble about it," says Jim O'Dowd, a tourist from Surrey, B.C., who has stumbled on the scene by accident. "But it's economic idiocy. It will never work."

Ms. May insists it's time to take the Greens seriously as a political party, not just a moral cause. So I asked some experts to evaluate their green plan.

"Their economic platform is incredibly detailed, with all sorts of micro-managing issues on many, many fronts," says Sherry Cooper, chief economist at BMO Capital Markets. "They are calling for nothing less than a full-scale remodelling of the Canadian economy. They are anti-trade. They want food sufficiency on a regional basis, so I guess we will all have backyard vegetable gardens and never again eat pineapple or bananas. ... Instead of harnessing modernity and using our scientific know-how to find alternative fuel sources, the Greens want to take us back to life before electricity and the combustion engine."

"Her budget doesn't balance unless we massively increase our carbon emissions," points out Aldyen Donnelly, who's president of the Greenhouse Emissions Management Consortium. She also faults Ms. May on the facts. Every European country that introduced carbon taxes - including Germany, Sweden and Denmark - has suffered heavy losses of manufacturing jobs. As for Germany's green jobs, they're all subsidized by the government. "Carbon taxes have proven to be an economic death spiral," Ms. Donnelly says.

In Europe, the Green wave is in full retreat. Faced with souring economies, Britain and other countries are pressing the European Union to roll back its carbon-cutting legislation. In the U.S., talk of international climate treaties has all but vanished. The new slogan is: Drill, baby, drill.

In Canada, the Green Party is polling at an impressive 10 per cent. But a fair chunk of that support, pollsters say, comes from people who are simply in a snit about everybody else. It's not unlikely that the peak of Ms. May's popularity is right now - and that after the debates and the election, air time will be hard to come by.

But don't feel sorry for Ms. May. She loves long odds. And she has a rich life plan. Her faith (Anglican) is quite important to her, and one day she'd like to be a parish priest. "I like parish life," she says. "Church is one way we still knit together as a community." In her spare time, she's studying theology, which, she says, "is a lot more interesting than politics."

In her sensible black suit and shoes, I realize, that's exactly what she is. An energetic parish priest, delivering hope and a message of uplift to whoever wants to listen. Someone who wants to knit together a community, and find a better way to live. What's not to like about Elizabeth May? Even if you don't believe.

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#555839
Richard Littlemore. +1; Tue, 2008-09-23 08:08; "Shocking" attack ...

Imagine that I am Claude Rains when I say that I am shocked - SHOCKED! - that Peggy Wente doesn't like Elizabeth May.

Wente, who has argued herself blue trying to deny climate change or to suggest that nothing we can do will make a difference, then "surprises" even further by rounding up two other May critics: an investment banker (perhaps an unfortunate choice given the current circumstances) and the head of an industry coalition that exists to develop "voluntary and market-based approaches to greenhouse gas emissions management" (i.e., to fight all regulation or direct government intervention tooth and nail).

This information must have all those who previously concluded the Wente is shameless and predictable nodding their heads in affirmation.

#555852
Rick. +0; Tue, 2008-09-23 08:17; Q why don't the greens just
Rick (not verified)

Q why don't the greens just join the liberals since they agree on everything?

A they like being the outsider fringe party where they can spout off without any actual responsibility.

#555894
SmarterThanRichard. +0; Tue, 2008-09-23 08:36; So Dick, How do you explain
SmarterThanRichard (not verified)

So Dick,

How do you explain (away) all the E.U. members who are trying to bail out of their carbon tax commitments? Speaking of shameless and predictable... taken a look in the mirror lately?

#556230
Steve L. +0; Tue, 2008-09-23 11:01; Evidence?
Steve L (not verified)

Beside Wendt's comments, where's all the evidence that Europe is quickly retreating from their GHG commitments, Rob?

#555747
JR Wakefield. +1; Tue, 2008-09-23 06:49; Only 20% of time can be due to AGW

Explain with peer reviewed references how the temperature rose from 1850-1945 due to our CO2 emissions, which then was a mere 14% of today, mostly around WWII. Then explain with peer reviewed references how CO2 emissions caused a global cooling from 1945 to 1975 in spite of an increase of 4 TIMES the rate of CO2 emissions.

Thus the only window of temp increases that can be attributed to AGW is from 1975 to 1998. The last ten years has seen a level and then drop in temps.

Thus of the years from 1945 to 2008, where 86% of our increase in CO2 emissions happened, we saw only 13 years of warming, only a mere 20% of the time.

Now it looks like the sun has changed to such an extent that we could be in for a prolonged, decades, of cooling such as we had from 1945 to 1975.

#555791
Rick. +0; Tue, 2008-09-23 07:13; I think you mean 23 years
Rick (not verified)

I think you mean 23 years rather than 13 in the 75-98 period. But the main point stands. The 20th century record goes back and forth from cooling to warming with a slight warming trend overall. It is time for 20 - 30 years of cooling.

#558159
JR Wakefield. +1; Wed, 2008-09-24 04:51; Yes, but i can't edit it.

Yes, but i can't edit it. Yesterday i got the dreaded "service unavailable" all day. That's for pointing that out.

#556118
gary. +0; Tue, 2008-09-23 10:04; Did I call it or
gary (not verified)

Did I call it or what?

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/23/nasas-press-conference-on-the-state-of-the-sun/

#556157
Rick. +0; Tue, 2008-09-23 10:18; sounds like they're saying -
Rick (not verified)

sounds like they're saying - we studied the sun and there are no sun spots which is probably normal enough and we have no idea what it's going to do next or how it might affect climate. It might just keep doing what it's doing but don't hold us to that.

I kind of like when scientists say they don't know whats going on. Refreshing.

#558161
JR Wakefield. +1; Wed, 2008-09-24 04:52; So much for climate models

Kinda puts a bit of sand in the "accurate" climate models now doesn't it!

#559102
Stephen Berg. +1; Wed, 2008-09-24 19:39; So much for people who say

So much for people who say they know something about climate models. Those deniers who say that solar radiation isn't accurately portrayed in the models have no idea what they're talking about. They should restart an undergraduate climate science degree, that is, if they've actually taken a university course in climate science in their lives! (It certainly doesn't seem that way.)

#569176
JR Wakefield. +1; Mon, 2008-09-29 10:21; Maybe you can explain how

Maybe you can explain how climate models can account for sun models that cannot predict what the sun is going to do.

Throwing insults only exposes your intolerance for other views.

#569911
Stephen Berg. +1; Mon, 2008-09-29 17:12; Solar output is very

Solar output is very predictable. Those who don't realize that haven't been doing their homework. Here's a good summary of climate models and solar radiation:

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/Radmath.htm

Also, I am not intolerant of other views. You are entitled to your opinion. However, you are not entitled to be correct, and you are not correct.

About the climate cover-up

About the climate cover-up

Democracy is utterly dependent upon an electorate that is accurately informed. In promoting climate change denial (and often denying their responsibility for doing so) industry has done more than endanger the environment. It has undermined democracy.

There is a vast difference between putting forth a point of view, honestly held, and intentionally sowing the seeds of confusion. Free speech does not include the right to deceive. Deception is not a point of view. And the right to disagree does not include a right to intentionally subvert the public awareness.

Although all public relations professionals are bound by a duty to not knowingly mislead the public, some have executed comprehensive campaigns of misinformation on behalf of industry clients on issues ranging from tobacco and asbestos to seat belts.

Lately, these fringe players have turned their efforts to creating confusion about climate change. This PR campaign could not be accomplished without the compliance of media as well as the assent and participation of leaders in government and business.

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