Coal Industry's ACCCE mixes apples (coal) with oranges (wind)
Over at the Clean Coal Front Group Soapbox (er, blog), ACCCE Vice President of Communications Joe Lucas has a new post entitled:
All New Technologies Take Time to Develop
He basically claims that wind and solar power projects take an indefinite amount of time to become fully operational for commercial use, and therefore we shouldn't be criticizing him and the "clean coal" industry for how long it will take carbon capture and sequestration (CCS) to become commercially feasible.
Simply put, his post is flat-out disingenous.
Here's Lucas' post:
And they’re right. We’re going to need every resource we’ve got to meet our future energy needs – wind and solar included. But just like clean coal technology, these renewables also need time for development. As we’ve discussed here before, we’re a long way from mass implementation of wind and solar power – there are still some kinks to work out.
Just this week it was announced that Oregon regulators have approved construction of a new wind farm that developers say could be the world’s largest. The only problem? They don’t know when it will be operational.
As we said, these things take time.I contacted Jérôme Guillet, a wind energy expert, who has written multiple articles for the reality-based blogosphere. He had this to say about Mr. Lucas' post:
The article to which Lucas links is behind a subscription wall, so we have to do our own search for news about the Oregon wind farms. The wind farm is scheduled to go online in about two years, which goes along with Guillet's statement.
Guillet continues:
Basically, if there are (or had been) any uncertainties with the Oregon project, they would have nothing to do with technical uncertainties; they would have to do with business logistics uncertainties.
Guillet nails it. Lucas' assertions are silly. In fact, they are wrong. He insults his readers' intelligence by assuming we'll fall for his claims, have no ability to do internet searches, read other blogs, and think critically.
Cross posted on Coal is Dirty.
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We believe that America absolutely should continue pursuing these wind and solar projects. We're going to need ALL our domestic energy resources.
But we can't discount any of our baseload power sources (the ones that provide electricity 24/7, even when it's not sunny and the wind isn't blowing).
Also, we're making progress with carbon capture, which is why we need to continue to invest in these new technologies.
Per today's Charleston Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.com/News/200807310197
"American Electric Power has a $70 million carbon capture and sequestration pilot project under way at its Mountaineer Plant in Mason County."
What makes you think Solar can't do baseload?
Or peaking power for that mattter.
greyfalcon.net/ausra
All at a fraction of the cost. (Even without subsidies)
greyfalcon.net/solarthermal2
Concentrating Solar Thermal with Molten Salt Heat Storage, can do it.
Pretty much, it's just a bunch of flat plate glass mirrors, a steam turbine, and some salt containers.
All conventional industrial-grade production materials.
greyfalcon.net/solarthermal
92×92 miles of this stuff in the Nevada desert would be enough to power our entire country, day and night.
greyfalcon.net/ausra2
gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/6/20/143633/019
Solar energy is far more than we could ever ask for.
greyfalcon.net/energy2.png
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And far more realistic than this silly CSS myth.
(Can you say over $6500/kW AND cutting down the efficiency of the plant by 20% AND using a liquid CO2 pipeline infrastructure orders of magnitude larger than our existing oil pipeline infrastructure.
And while we're at it since it cuts the plant efficiency by 20%, even if you assume that you can capture 80% of the emissions, that only ends up capturing 64% of the emissions once your done with it. Which isn't even any better than natural gas emissions.)
greyfalcon.net/costlycoal2
greenpeace.org/international/press/reports/false-hope
gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/7/7/65718/52163
grist.org/news/2008/01/29/energy_dept/index.html#comment7
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