On Monday, the State Department’s public comment period closed for the Keystone XL pipeline draft environmental impact statement. Over one million comments were submitted by citizens opposed to the tar sands pipeline. Then came the most damning comment of them all: from the Environmental Protection Agency.
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furious... or apathetic
I wonder which it will be?
It strikes me as rather absurd that many people are so ardently against carbon taxes and the like. Some make the intelligent point that market economics can price gas into a zone where it will be used very efficiently and GHG emissions will plummet. At least, it seems intelligent, until one recalls that the same people are really just used to consuming a gigantically subsidized resource. If the actual price of gas included all those pesky side effects currently treated as externalities, then perhaps a carbon tax would not be needed. Heck, let's forget about the carbon tax after all, if only we all agree to pay for the real costs of energy. Which, incidentally, would be way, way higher than the pittance of the tiny taxes proposed or just recently implemented in BC.
In fact, perhaps we would have started realizing some of the very savings that efficiency brings if we weren't so addicted to perverse subsidies. But that's the silliest thing of all: people arguing against mandatory reductions in greenhouse gas emissions are arguing against efficiency and arguing for the retention of a kind of welfare state for energy. You'd think all those right wingers would really prefer to be self-sufficient, rather than rely on government handouts to pay for much of the actual price of gas themselves.
But that would require self-reflection and abandonment of hypocrisy. Not always the deniers' strong suit. Honest people, on the other hand, could make real progress on reducing greenhouse gas emissions if only the barriers to efficiency were a little easier to cross.
JTK
Tougher greenhouse gas
Tougher greenhouse gas emissions were just enacted for vehicles in the USA . . . the new CAFE rules.
Modest improvements when...
... we have so much catching up to do. The courts slapped the US Gov't pretty hard over their "capricious" work on the proposed standards and they ended up being better than they would have been (35 mpg by 2020).
But this does nothing to encourage efficiency using meaningful economic incentives to make the price of energy reflect the... price of energy. Why is energy so massively subsidized and its costs so flagrantly ignored? No doubt, counting all those costs would be really difficult but we could make a reasoned estimate.
Seriously, I bet the carbon tax would be almost unnecessary if energy costs bore a stronger resemblance to post-1950's, "the world's energy resources are not infinite and the environment is not a limitless sink" thinking.
JTK
= Why is energy so massively
= Why is energy so massively subsidized and its costs so flagrantly ignored? = - JTK
To lift masses of people out of poverty, energy *must* be cheap. Overly expensive energy = huge increases in poverty.
And, energy is not really subsidized much. Coal is very plentiful and easy to get at making it cheap which is why so many countries use it. Saudi oil is dirt cheap to obtain but newer sources like the Alberta oilsands cost much more.
Serious consideration of C02 as a pollutant is something that has only been in vogue for about 2 decades, and if it is as nefarious in large quantities as we are told, the cost to all consumers for oil and coal will continue going up dramatically.
Republican Government Cruelly Refuses To Advocate Leftist Policy
"The Wonk Room at Center for American Progress has more."
Oh, look. Another liberal "think tank", funded by George Soros, is promoting increased government meddling and taxation based on Global Warming hysteria.
They don't call you guys watermelons for nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA6v7BVBcEU
At least "ROB" makes his
At least "ROB" makes his perspective clear - sure, dude, everyone who believes mainstream science is an hysterical communist. Riiiiight....
Paul S: I think we can honestly disagree on this point. My view is that energy is really quite strongly subsidized from the perspective that the costs of its use are discounted. This is getting a bit far from my field, but the "externalities" of energy use are very substantial and should be included in the cost of energy. I agree that coal, for example, is quite cheap, but its costs environmentally and in terms of human health are very large. The provincial medical establishment in Ontario reckons that about (this is their best guess, wrong of course, but the point is that it is a large number) 10,000 people die of air pollution-related ailments every year and a LOT more lose work days because of illness. Coal-fired plants are a big contributor to this problem. Probably even more serious in other parts of the world.
I don't believe the argument that energy should be cheap to lift people out of poverty. I think the way to encourage reasonable consumption is to make the costs of that consumption reflect reality to as great a degree as possible. Reasonable people can differ on where exceptions to this argument should be made. By making it easy to consume a lot of energy cheaply and hard to use low polluting or non-polluting alternatives, which is the current situation, we innovate more slowly.
That's my view.
JTK
= I don't believe the
= I don't believe the argument that energy should be cheap to lift people out of poverty. = JTK
It has to be cheap or else few will escape poverty. Because coal is cheap (or has been) China has been able to lift massive numbers out of absolute poverty.
Canadians too could see a significant increase in poverty here if energy costs get too expensive as the current high cost of oil is close to pushing our economy into recession.
If there is a great breakthrough in energy that would be great, but innovation can not always be forced.