Gore urges U.S. Congress to take speedy action on global warming

Johan wrote "Unrealclimate.org might have some scientists posting there, but, as we all know, it is another AGW alarmist PR and spin site." Now if Johan had made that statement about RealClimate.org, then Johan would be a liar.

Anyone intelligent who visits RealClimate.org and reads a few of the posts and discussions will soon realise that it is about the science, not about politics or PR or spin. They occasionally talk about media reports in order to criticise faulty science in them.

http://www.realclimate.org/

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Al Gore uses information received from and largely corroborated by other credible sources. His only contribution is to present that information in a clear and intelligent, if slightly simplistic way, and there's nothing wrong with that. Clear thinking is what this debate needs.

Crichton, I assume, is equally credible...when he's writing fiction. I've never read him, but he seems to have written a book about hype getting out of control, etc... Great. I'm sure it's entertaining and true, in a general sense, to human nature. BUT...and this is the difficulty thing to understand, aparently... it's FICTION. Just because it's plausible, doesn't mean it's probable, or much less: proven.

The greater part of the denierists' position right now seems to rely on this fictional meta-narrative of a world gone out of control, and all the "facts" (or better yet, non-facts) are drummed up to serve it.

Oh...that and ad hominems like "failed rich hypocritical politician".

Someone is quoting Crichton as an authority again? Right. Do you mean the state-of-confusion Crichton, or the friend-of-tobacco Crichton?

 

But better not argue with him! No phoney death threats required.

 

"Michael Crichton character" link

 

Great guy to quote.

 

 

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In 2003, author Michael Crichton called out the tobacco smoke scare mongering in a widely noted address at Cal-Tech on the topic of scientific fallacies of the day. Crichton observed that pressure-group tactics and an appeal to consensus, the notion that "everybody" believes something, has replaced actual scientific evidence in far too many public policy disputes. He explained:

In 1998, a Federal judge held that the EPA had acted improperly, had "committed to a conclusion before research had begun", and had "disregarded information and made findings on selective information." The reaction of Carol Browner, head of the EPA was: "We stand by our science….there's wide agreement. The American people certainly recognize that exposure to second hand smoke brings…a whole host of health problems." Again, note how the claim of consensus trumps science. In this case, it isn't even a consensus of scientists that Browner evokes! It's the consensus of the American people.
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As with nuclear winter, bad science is used to promote what most people would consider good policy. I certainly think it is. I don't want people smoking around me. So who will speak out against banning second-hand smoke? Nobody, and if you do, you'll be branded a shill of RJ Reynolds. A big tobacco flunky. But the truth is that we now have a social policy supported by the grossest of superstitions.

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Here's at item I came across a while ago that was written to address claims about the Maldives. It is in line with other material I have seen recently, stating the rate of sea level rise has been pretty constant for the last 100 years or more. The source is listed at the end. WARNING. Te author is on the Desmog list of unclean heretics. Coastal flooding; myths and facts in past, present and future sea level changes by Nils-Axel Mörne -- Flooding of coastal lowlands and islands has the potential of generating “catastrophes”. The boundary between myths and reality is vague for the past, and, as a matter of fact, even for future predictions. The postglacial rise in sea level undoubtedly implied flooding of vast areas. The smaller-scale oscillations in sea level in during the Middle and Late Holocene affected coastal conditions, too. Tsunamis and storms may lead to instantaneous destruction. In the last 5000 years, global mean sea level has been dominated by the redistribution of water masses over the globe. In the last 300 years, sea level has been oscillation close to the present with peak rates in the period 1890-1930. Between 1930 and 1950, sea levels fell. The late 20th century lack any sign of acceleration. Satellite altimetry indicates virtually no changes in the last decade. Therefore, observationally based predictions of future sea level in the year 2100 will give a value of +10 +10 cm (or +5 +15 cm), by this discarding model out-puts by IPCC as well as global loading models. This implies that there is no fear of any massive future flooding as claimed in most global warming scenarios. Novel prospects for the Maldives do not include a condemnation to future flooding. The people of the Maldives have, in the past, survived a higher sea level of about 50–60 cm. The present trend lack signs of a sea level rise. On the contrary there is firm morphological evidence of a significant sea level fall in the last 30 years. This sea level fall is likely to be the effect of increased evaporation and an intensification of the NE-monsoon over the central Indian Ocean. http://atlas-conferences.com/cgi-bin/abstract/caiq-28

graph of observed global sea level rise

ACIA, 2004

 

 

 

 

 

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“catastrophic”, “shocking”, “terrifying” or “devastating”

What should it say, given the predictions from NASA and others? ... localized, minor, no big deal? The press than turns a (so far unseen) mildy negative e-mail from a flamer into "five deaths threats", "from global warming alarmists", can certainly add "devastating" to a world-wide problem like the one forecast... no?