Ice Age Cancelled: Deniers Destined for Disappointment

Thu, 2011-06-16 15:52Richard Littlemore
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Ice Age Cancelled: Deniers Destined for Disappointment

The web is alive with idiotic commentary this week after the American Astronomical Society’s solar physics division heard three new studies, all pointing towards declining sunspot activity into the next decade.

But while the least professional journals (see the Financial Post link above) presented only the possibility that reduced solar energy could chill the planet, even sometimes-skeptical newspapers such as The Telegraph responded to the responsibility to include some scientific response confirming that a Grand Solar Minimum, even if one occurred, would not be sufficient to offset the effects and dangers of human-induced global warming.

For more complete looks at the goofy claims of an impending ice age, and more thoughtful presentations of the science debunking such a chill, check out Bad Astronomy, Peter Sinclair’s take on Climate Denial Crock of the Week or Joe Romm’s at ClimateProgress.

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But, but Lorne Gunter says (again) we are heading for global cooling. I lost track of the logical fallacies and distortion and misrepresentation in his diatribe.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/06/16/lorne-gunter-global-warming-try-global-cooling/

How cute--Gunter, Solomon and are tag teaming.

Some more facts are available here:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/How-would-Solar-Grand-Minimum-affect-global-warming.html

We still dont have a better word than deniers? how about cynics?

How about "uninformed loudmouths who will be morally responsible for the blood of billions on their hands in the future"? Bit long, granted.

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Lysenkoism:
"The manipulation or distortion of the scientific process as a way to reach a predetermined conclusion as dictated by an ideological bias, often related to social or political objectives."

Exactly.

"Lysenkoism -- it's what Desmogblog practises."

Care to back that up? What has been manipulated and distorted here? Please be specific.

I should not think it necessary to back his statememt.
Anyone that reads this site regularily knows full well how facts are manipulated to support the AGW scam.

This topic is perticularily representitive.

All the good science does support a drastic cooling over the next few decades. Only reality deniers like Desmog, RC, ROM etc, still cling to the failed hypothesis about CO2 being a major driver.

In any event, the climate will continue to cool as it has done for a decade and eventually even the most ardent deniers will have to admit that the SUN controls climate.

The CERN experiment will likely be a major turning point for global belief in the old dogma.

"perticularily representative", huh?

Sunshine, I have just emerged from a long argument with other people here who think that throwing these accusations around without evidence is clever. Get real or get out.

Well sunshine... Who are you to tell anyone to get out?

"ows full well how facts are manipulated to support the AGW scam."

What is the scam anon? Please tell us.

However, despite all these "facts" you haven't been able to actually post any of them.

"All the good science does support a drastic cooling over the next few decades"

Ah, double plus goodfact, huh.

"the failed hypothesis about CO2 being a major driver."

Pity that you can't actually substantiate that claim.

"The CERN experiment will likely be a major turning point for global belief in the old dogma."

Despite the current run having shown no appreciable effect above the noise level, you're ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that it's the CERN experiment.

Pity you don't show any skepticism.

You are very confused, and probably projecting. Lysenkoism perfectly describes the actions of "skeptics" and those who deny the theory of AGW.

Think of papers and reports by McLean et al., Soon and Baliunas, Wegman, McIntyre and McKitrick 05, McKitrick and Michaels, Lindzen and Choi, G&T, Douglass et al. It is a very long list...

Er, no, sorry. Just because those legitimate reports put the lie to your scam doesn't make them Lysenkoist. In fact, they are exposing the Climate Scientology Cult for what it is -- a scam in aid of imposing a political ideology, a la Lysenko.

just ask joe romm or peter sinclair.

There's a good discussion of this going on over at Bad Astronomy.

Here is how the warmists attempt to twist the story on this.

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2011/06/dr-svensmark-comments-on-warmist-paper.html

Summary.
They use a climate model that only accounts for iradiance to project how much cooling a solar minimum will cause.
Then state that it isnt enough.
The problem is, and alwasy has been, that irradiance is not what the issue is. Everone already know that.

Oh well,,, the truth will out.

You direct us to an obscure blog to make your point? How convincing (/sarc). Svensmark is entitled to his opinion, but he has been shown several times in the past to be wrong.

http://agwobserver.wordpress.com/anti-agw-papers-debunked/

It is really no surprise that the 'skeptics', like creationists and the pro-Tobacco lobby, have no credibility.

You are behind the times, the truth has won out. AGW is real.

And with reference to the hobby site that you directed us to--you seem oblivious to the fact that there are many Hockey Sticks out there that they were made using independent data and methods.

And the "skeptics" are hopping all over this prediction which may not even come to fruition. You are counting your chickens before they have hatched. If you want to try and argue science you are going to have to do much better. And one last suggestion, please stop disseminating misinformation.

LOL.....
"You are behind the times, the truth has won out. AGW is real."

Only in your own mind is it real....

If it were, there would have been proof or even some good evidence to support it in the last 30 years.

However, after 30 years and over a hundred billion dollars wasted, still NADA.

Still just a loose hypothesis that is losing faith fast.

Nice try though

Anon, you really are making fool of yourself and (proudly?) showing your ignorance. You seem to be of the belief that the greenhouse effect is not real.

And you really do need to learn the difference between a "hypothesis" and a "theory"; as in the hypothesis that GCRs explain the observed warming, versus the theory of evolution, gravity and AGW.

Now go and get your sweater, rumour in the denialosphere has it we're allegedly heading for an ice age.

It only SEEMS that way in your mind.
I certainly have never stated anything of the sort.

You on the other hand seem to believe AGW is Fact.
when in reality it is merely an hypothesis.
not even enough backing to be a theory.

That takes FAITH.

do you alos believe in creation? AGW is similar it would seem likely that you do.

Sigh, more invective and rhetoric and unsupported grand assertions, and strawmen arguments. You really do not know the difference between a "hypothesis" and "theory" do you ;)

Even Lindzen acknowledges that the greenhouse effect is real, so do Christy and Spencer and other 'skeptics'. So you then must be in the real outlier.

The National Academy of science would disagree with your beliefs concerning the theory of AGW, as would pretty much every other major reputable scientific academy, union or society on the planet. But you are probably think that you know better than the National Academy of Sciences.

Anyways, I see that you are firmly entrenched in your ideology, so there is no point engaging you Anon. All the best.

Summary: Full of lies.

"The problem is, and alwasy has been, that irradiance is not what the issue is."

Odd. So the Sun has some mystical force that works on the earth?

Or, if it's GCRs being modified by the sun's inactivity, why didn't that occur at the last maunder minimum of this strength 100 years ago?

The sun is as quiet now as it was then, yet it's about 0.8C warmer.

Question!!!

The concensus I am seeing around today is that the warmists will find some way to blame the cooling on CO2 as well.

Some very rich and powerful people have a lot invested in this movement and just because it turns cold, they still need to have CO2 blamed to keep the money flowing to the right spots.

Anyone else seeing this trend?
Any sign of such explainations yet?

You seem to be arguing a strawman and floating conspiracy theories.

Do who wish to actually try and engage in some science?

Do you have any that was not merely the product of cumputer games that dont take into account the whole picture?

That would be amazing if you do...

Nobody else has ever provided any.
so far at least.

Empty rhetoric Anon. Really pathetic.

Perhaps... But true nonetheless.

What is true? Your unsubstantiated belied that the greenhouse effect is not real, or the fact that your comments are vacuous and filled with rhetoric?

'Skeptics' and those in denial about AGW really ought to learn how to formulate an eloquent, clear and scientifically-based argument for once instead of playing word games. You really do have nothing Anon, and it is showing :)

Seems almost exactly equal to what you have actually.

Is that odd or what... LOL.

anonymous-the-denier loves to shill for the fossil fuel industry. In general, his posts are full of sound and fury and signify nothing.

According to the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), last year (2010) was especially notable in that global surface temperatures reached record values at the same level as in 1998 and 2005, consistent with the acceleration of the warming experienced over the last 50 years. The year also signaled the closure of the warmest decade on record. Over this decade, warming was markedly more pronounced in some regions, notably so in North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula, South Asia and the Arctic.

http://www.wmo.int/pages/publications/showcase/documents/1074_en.pdf

Guessing that their numbers come from GISS?

The numbers that Jimmy Hanson "Adjusts" for us.

Odd how all the old numbers are adjust down and all the newer ones are adjusted up isnt it?

seems to alwasy have the effect of makeing recent temps "look" warmer.

Hmmmm... I am sure it is just coincedental though.

For those interested in facts. It is Dr. James Hansen, but the juvenile "skeptics" have to get their pathetic digs in somehow I guess. And all the global records are in excellent agreement, even those from BEST.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics/Temperature_Composite_500.jpg

The NASA global temperature record (GISTEMP) has also been corroborated by the CCC project.

http://clearclimatecode.org/gistemp/

The globe experienced the 10th warmest May since record keeping began in 1880, as the climate phenomenon La Niña ended its 2011 cycle. The Arctic sea ice extent was the third smallest extent for May on record.

The monthly analysis from NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center is part of the suite of climate services NOAA provides government, business and community leaders so they can make informed decisions.

To read the entire NOAA report for May, go to:

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2011/20110615_globalstats.html

Well as usual the warmists completely miss the point.

1. nobody disputes the badly named greenhouse effect.
2. only warmists see ice melting as proof of AGW.

The point is the A in AGW.

The fact that we had a little warming blip in the 1990s tell us nothing other than we had a warm spell.

The only relevent issue is what caused it.

Some poorly written computer games suggest that man made CO2 caused it because they were written to show that and simply dont account for all the factors.

The latest science (real science not nintendo scenarios) shows several well corrolated natural causes.
The real cause is emerging from the research and unfrotunatley for the AGW industry it is not CO2. man made or otherwise.

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Like many climate denier drones, anonymous-the-denier spouts unsubstantiated and bogus platitudes.

Simply put, anonymous-the-denier has spent way too much time rattling around inside the Climate Denial Spin Machine.

How do we know humans are the primary cause of the warming?

A large body of evidence supports the conclusion that human activity is the primary driver of recent warming. This evidence has accumulated over several decades, and from hundreds of studies. The first line of evidence is our basic physical understanding of how greenhouse gases trap heat, how the climate system responds to increases in greenhouse gases, and how other human and natural factors influence climate.

The second line of evidence is from indirect estimates of climate changes over the last 1,000 to 2,000 years. These estimates are often obtained from living things and their remains (like tree rings and corals) which provide a natural archive of climate variations. These indicators show that the recent temperature rise is clearly unusual in at least the last 1,000 years.

The third line of evidence is based on comparisons of actual climate with computer models of how we expect climate to behave under certain human influences. For example, when climate models are run with historical increases in greenhouse gases, they show gradual warming of the Earth and ocean surface, increases in ocean heat content, a rise in global sea level, and general retreat of sea ice and snow cover. These and other aspects of modeled climate change are in agreement with observations.

“Global Climate Change Indicators”, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, National Climatic Data Center

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/

LOL...

1,2, and three.. all warmist propaganda.

1 has been debunked well and often.
2. The hokey Schtick is clear fraud
3. Cumputer games poorly written.

We have heard this nonsense toooooo many time already and nobody buys it anymore.

Your juvenille retort is so predictable.

The 2009 State of the Climate report released by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in July of last year draws on data for 10 key climate indicators that all point to the same finding: the scientific evidence that our world is warming is unmistakable.
More than 300 scientists from 160 research groups in 48 countries contributed to the report, which confirms that the past decade was the warmest on record and that the Earth has been growing warmer over the last 50 years.

Based on comprehensive data from multiple sources, the report defines 10 measurable planet-wide features used to gauge global temperature changes. The relative movement of each of these indicators proves consistent with a warming world. Seven indicators are rising: air temperature over land, sea-surface temperature, air temperature over oceans, sea level, ocean heat, humidity and tropospheric temperature in the “active-weather” layer of the atmosphere closest to the Earth’s surface. Three indicators are declining: Arctic sea ice, glaciers and spring snow cover in the Northern hemisphere.

“For the first time, and in a single compelling comparison, the analysis brings together multiple observational records from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the ocean,” said Jane Lubchenco, Ph.D., under secretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere and NOAA administrator. “The records come from many institutions worldwide. They use data collected from diverse sources, including satellites, weather balloons, weather stations, ships, buoys and field surveys. These independently produced lines of evidence all point to the same conclusion: our planet is warming,”

Source: “NOAA: Past Decade Warmest on Record According to Scientists in 48 Countries -- Earth has been growing warmer for more than fifty years,” NOAA News Release, July 28, 2010.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100728_stateoftheclimate.html

Wow Badger, Anon thinks that NOAA disseminated propaganda. LOL. Say no more, we are clearly wasting our time on this troll bot.

Regardless, Gunters and Somoloms word have been recorded for history ;)

Sigh...

More empty propaganda.

Only the Faithful believe the cult doctrines these days.

The world is moving on to reality based science.

Just for fun. And well .... Perspective:

The IPCC loses its last credibility

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/06/17/lorne-gunter-the-ipcc-loses-its-last-credibility/

Queue smear rant... 3, 2, 1. =

This thread show all the signs of corporate anti-green trolls polluting valid discussions with disinformation. Anonymous posters congratulating the bullshit posts of other anonymous posters for clear-thinking and good-reasoning? I call bullshit.

I'll bet these assholes are among those we know are getting paid to disrupt AGW blogs.

Perfect timing
Right on queue

And just the right silly tone.

Thanks

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