Americans For Prosperity Sues New York For Participating In Regional Climate Pact

Fri, 2011-07-01 12:44TJ Scolnick
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Americans For Prosperity Sues New York For Participating In Regional Climate Pact

The Koch brothers’ corporate front group, Americans for Prosperity (AFP) filed a lawsuit on Monday in New York’s State Supreme Court seeking to reverse a core piece of state action on climate change.  

New York joined the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI) in 2005 when former governor George Pataki (R) approved the state’s participation in the program. The suit alleges that New York is illegally (coercively) taxing residents by taking part in the market-based 10 Northeast and Mid-Atlantic states’ Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI). The AFP complaint also asserts that carbon emissions trading is unconstitutional because it infringes on federal authority to set rules on air pollution and electrical power transmission across states. 

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo (D), along with the state Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) and the New York State Energy Research and Development Authority, are all named as defendants in the suit.

The RGGI is the first state-based cap-and-trade program requiring electric utilities to purchase state emissions permits (credits) which are used to fund clean energy initiatives, create green jobs, lower energy bills, improve energy efficiency and home weatherization programs. Over the last three years New York alone has raised $320 million from its participation in RGGI, adding an average of less than 50 cents a month to a resident’s power bills. In all, the 10 participating states have raised $770 million [pdf], while adding a mere 0.4% to 1% on average to electricity bills. The RGGI also amplifies initial investments since ratepayers end up saving $3 to $4 for every dollar invested.

Peter Iwanowicz, a former DEC commissioner and head of the state Office of Climate Change, as well as an affiliate of the American Lung Association, is challenging the dirty energy interests attacking RGGI: “It is clear that those who are behind the suit are standing up for polluters and their profits, and they care very little about the people in New York.”

Contrary to the Kochtopus lobbying campaigns to deny climate change and efforts to overturn the RGGI, a Koch subsidiary, Koch Supply and Trading of Wichita, participated in the very first RGGI trade of carbon allowances [pdf]. In fact, according to the Albany Times Union, Koch Industries traders took part in at least three of RGGI’s first nine emissions credit auctions.

And What About New York’s Neighbour New Jersey?

In May New Jersey governor Chris Christie (R) vowed to abandon the RGGI by the end of 2011. Formerly a supporter of strong action on climate change, Christie now looks more like the many fellow Tea Party Republican climate deniers who were elected in droves last November.

Challenging the governor, this week, the New Jersey Assembly followed the state Senate in passing several bills aiming to prevent the state from leaving the RGGI

John McKeon, chairman of the Assembly Environment and Solid Waste Committee, told SolveClimate News that the legislation “absolutely clears up any ambiguity of [Christie] being able to pull us out unilaterally.” 

Unfortunately, the slim margins the bills passed by will do little to dissuade the governor from using his veto.

McKeon adds that pulling out of the RGGI disregards “…the intent of the Legislature which required New Jersey to be a member of RGGI,” and that “Governor Christie is ignoring the will of the people…” 

The Natural Resources Defense Council (NDRC) conducted a poll revealing that 74% of New Jersey voters support keeping New Jersey energy dollars in the state rather than spending this money on fossil fuels; 60% say they would be willing to pay an additional 75 cents on their monthly energy bills to curb power plant pollution and invest in cleaner, local energy sources like wind and solar; and 47% also said that leaving the RGGI would be inconsistent with the governor’s earlier commitment to clean energy as a way to rebuild the state’s economy and workforce, with only 33% thinking it would be consistent.

In all, New Jersey has raised more than $105 million from auctioning carbon credits since 2008.

 

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Foreign Company Admits Illegal Cash Donations to U.S. State Campaigns

A foreign subsidiary of U.S. corporate giant Koch Industries acknowledged making thousands of dollars in illegal contributions to state candidates between 2005 and 2009 and agreed to settle a case brought by the Federal Election Commission, the agency announced Friday.

The FEC decided to settle the case, with the company agreeing to pay a $4,700 fine.
The FEC decided to settle the case, with the company agreeing to pay a $4,700 fine.
The FEC decided to settle the case, with the company agreeing to pay a $4,700 fine.
The FEC decided to settle the case, with the company agreeing to pay a $4,700 fine. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/foreign-company-admits-illegal-cash-donations-us-state/story?id=13979521

WASHINGTON, Jul 1, 2011 (IPS) - As a budget battle rages on in the U.S. Congress and President Barack Obama’s military budget comes under increasingly harsh scrutiny, a report released here Thursday by the Institute for Policy Studies suggests that reallocating defence spending towards tackling climate change might be the only solution to the administration’s woes.

In his recent article “Climate Denial: can science and the truth withstand the merchants of poison?”, former vice president Al Gore blasted Obama for failing to speak out vehemently against ongoing and impending climate catastrophes, referring to the dumping of 90 million tonnes of heat-trapping emissions into the earth’s atmosphere every 24 hours as potentially destructive to “human civilisation” as we know it.

Citing statistics from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), Gore wrote that “2010 was tied with 2005 as the hottest year measured since…the 1880s.” As a result of such over- heating, the Arctic ice cap lost a full 40 percent of its area over the last three decades, he added.

Adding fodder to the argument that action is needed, the Global Governance Project estimates that by the year 2050, the world will have 200 million climate-displaced refugees on its hands, the majority of them from low-lying coastal areas, as a result of rising water levels.

“All of these interconnected threats, especially climate-induced destabilisation of certain parts of the world, pose a threat to U.S. national security – particularly in the long term,” Michael Gerrard, director of the Center for Climate Change Law at Columbia University, told IPS.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=56334

The Koch Brothers should be put behidn bars immediately, they are a national security threat!

the Global Governance Project estimates that by the year 2050, the world will have 200 million climate-displaced refugees on its hands, the majority of them from low-lying coastal areas, as a result of rising water levels.

This again? Really? Run for the HILLS!!! Oh wait, I remember the last time that someone said that there would be millions of climate refugees.

The UN ‘disappears’ 50 million climate refugees, then botches the cover-up

In 2005, the United Nations Environment Programme predicted that climate change would create 50 million climate refugees by 2010. These people, it was said, would flee a range of disasters including sea level rise, increases in the numbers and severity of hurricanes, and disruption to food production.

The UNEP even provided a handy map. The map shows us the places most at risk including the very sensitive low lying islands of the Pacific and Caribbean.

Bahamas:

Nassau, The Bahamas — The 2010 national statistics recorded that the population growth increased to 353,658 persons in The Bahamas. The population change figure increased by 50,047 persons during the last 10 years.

Saint Lucia

The island-nation of Saint Lucia recorded an overall household population increase of 5 percent from May 2001 to May 2010 based on estimates derived from a complete enumeration of the population of Saint Lucia during the conduct of the recently completed 2010 Population and Housing Census.

Seychelles:

Population 2002, 81755

Population 2010, 88311

Solomon Islands:

The latest Solomon Islands population has surpassed half a million – that’s according to the latest census results.

It’s been a decade since the last census report, and in that time the population has leaped 100,000.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/16/the-un-disappears-50-million-climate-refugees-then-botches-the-cover-up/#ixzz1Qu6QPWAJ

Gore wrote that “2010 was tied with 2005 as the hottest year measured since…the 1880s.”

Incorrect

Pielke Senior on NCDC’s recent “state of the climate” rehash

The climate system has not warmed since about 2003 either in the upper ocean or in the lower troposphere as shown in the three figures below.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/29/pielke-senior-on-ncdcs-recent-state-of-the-climate-rehash/#more-42450

The Koch Brothers should be put behind bars immediately, they are a national security threat!

What about Clintons selling military secrets to China while he was in office?

Good post James.

Many people dont take or have the time to lookup the FACTS about sea level rise.

That is why the silly rent seakers of Tuvalu and the Maldives can get away with demanding Money while their coast lines remain perfectly stable.

Its just about money and power…

‘incorrect

Pielke Senior on NCDC’s recent “state of the climate” rehash

The climate system has not warmed since about 2003 either in the upper ocean or in the lower troposphere as shown in the three figures below.’

Unfortunately for your world view, gained from reading sites the content of which Marvel Comics would have been proud, in reality we have Texas burning, Oklahoma roasting (with even hayseed Inhofe being afflicted by the toxins from algal blooms - an increasing phenomena in the US and elsewhere as the world warms), the Amazon Basin having its second 100 year drought in five years, glaciers vanishing at an accelerating rate along with ice mass on Greenland and at the Antarctic and Arctic ice in volume decline year on year. I doubt you know the difference between sea ice extent and sea ice area.

Species are migrating in latitude and altitude, those that cannot try to adapt which for most involves extinction. For example the fulvous whistling duck has become a common sight in some areas of Britain (check out its previous geographical locations) and warm water species of jellyfish and shark are moving north into British water as far as Scotland - movements not associated with the so called gulf stream.

There are so many more indicators of a warming world.

Do you know how much heat energy it takes to melt one gram of ice? And this would be to ignore the amount of heat energy required to raise the temperature of that ice to its melting point in the first place.

You really are either clueless, barking mad or knowingly lying to have all these elephants in the room and continue to spout the garbage that you do.

Garbage in garbage out was never more true than for those who read and believe the likes of WUWT, Pielke, Nova, Bolt, Delingpole, Montford, Plimer, and their supporting cast of corrupted, and corrupting, scientists who have taken up the baton of low climate sensitivity Spencer, Lindzen, Michaels, Christie.

Fortunately your ad homiuem and baseless attacks do not work in the real world or at scientific conferences. Your response is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling at the top of your lungs. You prefer to attack the messenger and the scientists who do not support the AGW scare industry. But wait I though all climate scientists supported the consensus view. Fortunately again science does not work by consensus. Paraphrasing Einstein, he said that if one experiment shows my theory to be wrong then I will have to start all over again. This has been accomplished by contraian scientists and instead of developing a new line of reasoning for the observed mild climate warming the AGW scaremongers have doubled down on their failed hypothesis. The drive to tax the poor must be insaitable. Have no fear. Soon the AGW hypothesis will be recognized for the voodoo religous science that it is and you can move on to the next big scare to tax the poor.

‘Fortunately your ad homiuem [sic] and baseless attacks do not work in the real world or at scientific conferences. Your response is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling at the top of your lungs.’

You cannot even be original.

Check out the real meaning of ad hominum.

Taxing the poor, WTF are you on?

Watts Up With That is not a reliable source of information.

So now that the warming over the past 15 years is 95% statistically significant, and not the 92%, or whatever, that it was when Phil Jones was misquoted, Anthony Watts moves the goal posts again. Now it’s - no warming since 2003.
Pathetic. Last year they were saying no warming since 2001.
I smell a rather strong odor of cherries.

Every year since 2001 was warmer than any year before 1998 - as far back as he records go.

The last decade was warmer than the 1990s, which was warmer than the 1980s, which was warmer than the 1970s.

There were twice as many record highs as record lows in the past decade.

That ratio has gone up in each of the decades in the previous paragraph.

A few Watts gems:

“Favorite Denier Tricks, or How to Hide the Incline”

WUWT has a post by Bob Tisdale, based on one of Tisdale’s own posts. The theme is that ocean heat content (OHC) hasn’t risen as fast as GISS model projections. Watts even says “we have a GISS miss by a country mile.” But Tisdale can only support his claim by using tricks to hide the incline.
In fact he uses two of the favorite tricks of deniers. One is a clever, but hardly new, trick called “cherry picking.” The other is ridiculously simple: misrepresentation.”

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/05/09/favorite-denier-tricks-or-how-to-hide-the-incline/

Watts and D’Aleo make it all up with this claim

NO WARMING TREND IN THE 351-YEAR CENTRAL ENGLAND TEMPERATURE RECORD

Open Mind
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/summer-and-smoke/

and they get their heads handed to them by Tamino

Long story short, Anthony Watts (of Watts Up With That) and D’Aleo left out the 19th century and only used summer data, leaving out winter data, to arrive at their quackery graph. Of course summers in the period were relatively cool, while winters were relatively warm. Even for skeptics, this one takes the cake for cherry picking.

I am continually amazed at how much pure unadulterated stupid takes place on Watts Up With That.

http://shewonk.wordpress.com/2010/12/26/a-whole-lot-of-stupid-going-on/

The skeptic argument…CO2 is coming from the ocean

‘The solubility of carbon dioxide in water is listed in the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics as a declining function of temperature. The rising values of atmospheric carbon dioxide during the time of the Mouna Loa measurements could clearly be a function of reduced solubility of CO2 in the oceans of the Planet.’ (Watts Up With That)

“What the science says…
Measurements of carbon isotopes and falling oxygen in the atmosphere show that rising carbon dioxide is due to the burning of fossil fuels and cannot be coming from the ocean.”

http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-coming-from-ocean.htm

“Easterbrook’s wrong (again)”

“latest ‘essay’ by Don ‘Cooling-gate’ Easterbrook - it was featured in full at µWatts, translated into German and Dutch, and made headline material for Morano: Geologist: 9,099 Of Last 10,500 Years Warmer Than 2010.
this is Easterbrook, and he’s up to his old tricks. He’s ‘hiding the incline’ in temperatures by mangling the data from Greenland ice cores. Has he learned nothing since I last looked at his ‘work’? Apparently not.
Easterbrook’s argument is so flimsy and his presentation of data so dodgy that even the normally uncritical crowd at µWatts voiced grave doubts about his analysis”

http://hot-topic.co.nz/easterbrooks-wrong-again/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+co%2FRbRF+%28Hot+Topic%29

Tamino??? Really? LMFAO!!! ROTF LMAO !!!!

Well if you think that Anthony Watts is lying then lets us look at another source for disappearing climate refugees shall we.

The UN ‘disappears’ 50 million climate refugees, then botches the cover-up

http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/16/the-un-disappears-50-million-climate-refugees-then-botches-the-cover-up/#ixzz1Qy9b3Lx5

Skeptical science ??? ROFL!! LMFAO!!! LOL !!!! ROTF LMFAO!!!!

I can prove half of skeptical science claims wrong with today’s peer-reviewed science.

“Models are unreliable” –Models successfully reproduce temperatures since 1900 globally, by land, in the air and the ocean.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

Since 1990, IPCC’s Climate Predictions Have Been Wrong - Billions Wasted On Worthless Fortunetelling
http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=2208

NOAA Temperature Data Rebuts IPCC’s Climate Model Predictions of Global Warming
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/06/26/winter-temperatures-crashing-across-the-us/

Newest Peer-Reviewed Study: Experts Find That IPCC Climate Models Are Basically Worthless
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/new-paper-validation-and-forecasting-accuracy-in-models-of-climate-change-by-fildes-and-kourentzes/

“Medieval Warm Period was warmer” – Globally averaged temperature now is higher than global temperature in medieval times.

Medieval Warming In Switzerland Was Unprecedented Versus The Current Lukewarm Temperatures
http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/06/latest-data-from-eu-scientists-medieval-warming-in-switzerland-was-unprecedented-versus-the-current-.html

Chinese Research Discovers There Was Historical “Unprecendeted Warming” Before There Was Modern “Unprecedented Warming”
http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/07/chinese-research-discovers-there-was-historical-unprecendeted-warming-before-there-was-modern-unprec.html

Canadian Lake’s Past Water Levels Refutes Both Mann’s ‘Hockey-Stick’ Climate & IPCC’s “Unprecedented” Modern Warming
http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/06/canadian-lakes-past-water-levels-refutes-both-manns-hockey-stick-climate-ipccs-unprecedented-modern-.html

Analysis of Sediment Cores From Arctic Circle Region Determines Medieval Era Warmer Than Modern Period
http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/06/norway-warmer.html

“Mt. Kilimanjaro’s ice loss is due to land use” – Most glaciers are in rapid retreat worldwide, notwithstanding a few complicated cases.

Himalayan Glaciers Stable Since 1992 Despite Large Human CO2 Emissions, Scientists Determine
http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/06/himalayan-glaciers-stable-since-1992-despite-large-human-co2-emissions-scientists-determine.html

EU Scientists: The Alps Big Glacier, Despite Modern “Unprecedented” Global Warming, Was Smaller In The Past
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2011/06/dominant-glacier-in-alps-is-larger.html

EU Soot Emissions Found To Be Melting Himalayan Glaciers & Warming Regional Climates
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/the-role-of-soot-in-the-climate-system-an-excellent-article-in-the-economist/

“Temp record is unreliable” – The warming trend is the same in rural and urban areas, measured by thermometers and satellites.

New Zealand Climate Scientists Admit To Faking Temperatures: The Actual Temps Show Little Warming Over Last 50 Years
http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/12/new-zealand-climate-scientists-admit-to-faking-temperatures-the-actual-temps-show-little-warming-ove.html

“Ocean acidification isn’t serious” – Past history shows that when CO2 rises quickly, there was mass extinctions of coral reefs.

Sea Corals Survive & Thrive At High Levels of CO2; Research Proves ‘Ocean Acidification’ Not A Major Problem
http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/12/sea-corals-survive-thrive-at-high-levels-of-co2-research-proves-ocean-acidification-not-a-major-prob.html

Clams Love Higher Ocean Acidification New Research Discovers
http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/06/clams-love-higher-ocean-acidification-new-research-discovers.html

Australia’s Great Barrier Reef Healthy & Unaffected By Climate Change, Peer-Reviewed Study Determines
http://www.co2science.org/articles/V14/N26/B1.php

“Sea level rise is exaggerated” – A variety of different measurements find steadily rising sea levels over the past century.

New Satellite Data Confirms Skeptics Correct About Tiny Sea Level Increases: 4 Inches Per Century
http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-11-satellites-reveal-differences-sea.html

“Climate sensitivity is low” – Net positive feedback is confirmed by many different lines of evidence.

Researchers Detect Large Negative Feedback From Global Warming That’s Unaccounted For In IPCC Climate Models
http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/11/researchers-detect-large-negative-feedback-from-global-warming-thats-unaccounted-for-in-ipcc-climate.html

Peer-Study Concludes That A Natural Negative Feedback Stopped Melting of Greenland’s Glaciers
http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/12/peer-study-concludes-that-negative-feedback-stopped-melting-of-greenlands-glaciers.html

New Expert Analysis: NASA Climate Model’s Sensitivity To CO2 Doubling Is Only 0.5C°, Not 2.5° Plus, As Claimed
http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/12/new-expert-analysis-nasa-climate-models-sensistivity-to-co2-doubling-is-only-05c-not-25-as-claimed.html

NASA Peer-Reviewed Study Finds Low Sensitivity To CO2 Doubling: The UN’s IPCC Global Warming Science Is Imploding
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/08/new_model_doubled_co2_sub_2_degrees_warming/

“It’s the sun” – In the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been going in opposite directions

Climate Research From France: Solar Is The Major Influence On Global Temperatures
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/12/26/french-research-its-the-sun/

“Hurricanes aren’t linked to global warming” – There is increasing evidence that hurricanes are getting stronger due to global warming.

Hurricane/Cyclone Predictions From IPCC Climate Models Fail Spectacularly - Models Are Worthless
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/15/global-tropical-cyclone-activity-still-in-the-tank/

No Long-term Trend in Atlantic Hurricane Numbers
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2011/05/26/no-long-term-trend-in-atlantic-hurricane-numbers/

Tornadoes and global warming – still no linkage
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/27/tornadoes-and-global-warming-still-no-linkage/

“Oceans are cooling” – The most recent ocean measurements show consistent warming.

The Global Warming Threat Continues Its Retreat: Feeble “Warming” of Oceans Was Not Predicted By IPCC
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/07/may-2011-sea-surface-temperature-sst-anomaly-update/

Hansen’s Global Climate Model In Total Fail: Predicted Ocean Heat Goes Missing
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/19/tisdale-on-2011-ocean-heat-content-and-the-giss-miss/

“Extreme weather isn’t caused by global warming” – Extreme weather events are being made more frequent and worse by global warming.

Expert Analysis of Empirical Evidence Confirms Hail Size Not Tied To Global Warming
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2011/07/01/extreme-precipitation-update/

NOAA: Russian Heat Wave Not Due to ‘Global Warming’
http://climateresearchnews.com/2010/08/noaa-russian-heat-wave-not-due-to-global-warming/

NOAA Says Recent Tornadoes NOT Due to Global Warming
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/csi/events/2011/tornadoes/climatechange.html

Does Human CO2 Cause Extreme Weather Events? Another Climate Scientist Says ‘No’ As Does The Data
http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/09/does-human-co2-cause-extreme-weather-events-another-climate-scientist-says-no-as-does-the-data.html

“Al Gore got it wrong” – Al Gore book is quite accurate, and far more accurate than contrarian books.

Liberal/Left Stupidity Knows No Bounds When It Comes To Climate Change, As Al Gore Proves Once Again
http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/06/liberalleft-stupidity-knows-no-bounds-when-it-comes-to-climate-change-as-al-gore-proves-once-again.html

Falsehoods in Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/environment/gore.html

Giving Thanks For Small Miracles: Why Al Gore Is A Green’s Worst Nightmare & Always Will Be
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2011/06/24/the-failure-of-al-gore-part-one/

And Finally the cu de gras

Peer-Research By Atmospheric Physicists Confirm That Modern Climate Fluctuations Are Normal http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/05/atmospheric-physicists-confirm-in-peer-reviewed-journal-that-modern-climate-fluctuations-are-normal-.html

Thinking that The Daily Caller offers a balance to the work of tamino is to live in la-la land.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=The_Daily_Caller

‘The Daily Caller

A conservative/Republican news spin organization founded by conservative reporter Tucker Carlson and former Dick Cheney aide Neil Patel.[1] The Daily Caller’s announced objective is to be a “content” response tool to articles on The Huffington Post.’

and

‘Foundation

Tucker announced a loose idea for it at the 2009 CPAC. He and Patel than officially announced it at a Heritage Foundation gathering in May 2009, after which $3 million in capital from unnamed outside sources was invested.’

and

‘Writers

Those who have written for it include Andrew Breitbart and Newt Gingrich.’

You are a joke 47, a joke.

Your fake outrage is enlightening. Continue to live in the world in which scientific evidence does not matter and wonder why people continue to vote against their own interests as you progressives put it.

Now that his dodgy sources have been exposed to light he has folded.

What a fighter you are Lionel for the progrssive cause. I bet it was difficult to find my sources since I posted them myself. Who cares if they led to peer-reviewed science? They do not really matter because I say so. I wonder what criteria that you used to determine that I folded? You are the one who can not post relevant scientific studies to the question. Instead you choose to attack the sources or the messenger.

His posts drip ideology.

No, I posted PEER-REVIEWED scientific literature. Perhaps you should learn the difference.

There is another one for our list PhilM

Ohh should I clean my weapons now? Better to be safe than sorry I suppose.

With a Gish Gallop of bullshit.

‘Tamino??? Really? LMFAO!!! ROTF LMAO !!!!

Well if you think that Anthony Watts is lying then lets us look at another source for disappearing climate refugees shall we.

The UN ‘disappears’ 50 million climate refugees, then botches the cover-up

http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/16/the-un-disappears-50-million-climate-refugees-then-botches-the-cover-up/#ixzz1Qy9b3Lx5’

Of course you do realise who wrote that Daily Caller article don’t you? Yes. None other than champion cherry picker Anthony ‘wishful thinking’ Watts.

What is significant about Watts analysis (well it cannot even be classed as that really being more ‘look over here whilst I steal your brain’ which is easy because its on the floor) are the areas of the world that HE DOES NOT MENTION like:

From Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Pakistan_floods

‘The 2010 Pakistan floods began in late July 2010, resulting from heavy monsoon rains in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sindh, Punjab and Balochistan regions of Pakistan and affected the Indus River basin. Approximately one-fifth of Pakistan’s total land area was underwater, approximately 796,095 square kilometres (307,374 sq mi).[3][4][5] According to Pakistani government data the floods directly affected about 20 million people, mostly by destruction of property, livelihood and infrastructure, with a death toll of close to 2,000.[1]’

20 MILLION there

and then there are these guys:

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/6/30/headlines/drought_in_somalia_causes_mass_influx_of_climate_refugees_to_kenya

‘Drought In Somalia Causes Mass Influx Of Climate Refugees To Kenya

In climate news, the aid group, Save the Children, is reporting the massive drought in Somalia has resulted in a mass influx of climate refugees fleeing for Kenya. The group estimates 800 Somali children cross into Kenya every day to escape the drought. The United Nations estimates the drought has impacted 10 million people in Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, Somalia and Uganda. Mark Bowden is the United Nations Humanitarian Coordinator for Somalia.’

10 MILLION there

http://www.climaterefugees.com/

‘Three years ago Nash began reading about mass migrations of people looking for water and food in dry regions of Africa and losing their homes to rising seawater in Bangladesh.

With video camera on shoulders, he and Hogan ventured to such places, including Orissa, India, where the coastal village of Kanhapura has vanished. They spent time on Tuvalu, a South Pacific island that is slowly sinking and where thousands of people will soon be displaced.

In figures released last Tuesday, the International Organization for Migration estimated climate change would drive a billion people worldwide from their homes in the next four decades. In 2008, 20 million people became homeless in environmental disasters, the IOM said.’

20 MILLION there

I make that 50 MILLION with many known stricken areas Australia, US Mid-West and South America not even counted in.

Oh boy, Watts idiocy at its finest.

Watts shove that up your alpha-romeo-sierra-echo, and you too 47 varieties, should be easy for you because yours seems permanently on the floor these days.

The utterings of Watts never stand up to scrutiny and yet you believe it, or pretend that you do because of some twisted ideology.

Cropped most of the Gish Gallop

‘And Finally the cu de gras

Peer-Research By Atmospheric Physicists Confirm That Modern Climate Fluctuations Are Normal
http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/05/atmospheric-physicists-confirm-in-peer-reviewed-journal-that-modern-climate-fluctuations-are-normal-.html’

Ah! More GCR smoke-an-mirrors.

When will you guys realise that you are being sold a pup.

Cosmic ray contribution to global warming negligible

http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?n=708

more remarks on this rumbling sore (beware it may bring on a heart attack):

http://www.realclimate.org/?comments_popup=728

http://www.realclimate.org/?comments_popup=5345

Are you Marc Morano by another name? You sure fit the description given by Andrew Weaver at the end of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59P0AIcUoh8&feature=fvst

‘The 2010 Pakistan floods began in late July 2010, resulting from heavy monsoon rains in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sindh, Punjab and Balochistan regions of Pakistan and affected the Indus River basin. Approximately one-fifth of Pakistan’s total land area was underwater, approximately 796,095 square kilometres (307,374 sq mi).[3][4][5] According to Pakistani government data the floods directly affected about 20 million people, mostly by destruction of property, livelihood and infrastructure, with a death toll of close to 2,000.[1]’

20 MILLION there

and then there are these guys:

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/6/30/headlines/drought_in_somalia_causes_mass_influx_of_climate_refugees_to_kenya

Ahh the worn out sources argument. Sigh!

Global warming did not “cause” Russian heat, Pakistani floods

In a recent New York Times article, Gavin Schmidt, a climate scientist with NASA, summed up the issue succinctly: “If you ask me as a person, do I think the Russian heat wave has to do with climate change, the answer is yes. If you ask me as a scientist whether I have proved it, the answer is no — at least not yet.”

http://www.cejournal.net/?p=3424

- 20 Million there

In climate news, the aid group, Save the Children, is reporting the massive drought in Somalia has resulted in a mass influx of climate refugees fleeing for Kenya. The group estimates 800 Somali children cross into Kenya every day to escape the drought. The United Nations estimates the drought has impacted 10 million people in Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, Somalia and Uganda. Mark Bowden is the United Nations Humanitarian Coordinator for Somalia.’

10 MILLION there

http://www.climaterefugees.com/

In figures released last Tuesday, the International Organization for Migration estimated climate change would drive a billion people worldwide from their homes in the next four decades.

To get some answers, I interviewed Peter Stott for “How on Earth,” the weekly science and environment radio program on KGNU FM radio here in Boulder.

I think … some people are too easily jumping from the very clear evidence that climate is changing, and that we’ve seen systematic changes in our climate system over the last few decades, to saying that particular individual extreme weather events are therefore due to climate change and therefore will become more frequent in the future. .

http://www.cejournal.net/?p=3424

-1.010 Billion there

It always amazes me that during the winter when skeptics poke fun at warmists about heavy snowfalls the warmists just say that is weather but if there is a warm day or more during the summer then the warmists start screaming from the rooftops about global warming. Maybe you should schedule some quiet time to contemplate what is so wrong with that scenario.

Has global warming research misinterpreted cloud behavior?

http://www.physorg.com/news132251958.html

See here is the problem. I present a possibility for an unknown in the climate such as cloud formation, present an experiment that has promise, and the warmists dismiss it out of hand as a smear tactic. ROFL! LMFAO! LOL! Yet you think that you are the open-minded one. ROFL! ROTF LMFAO!!! ROFL!!

http://www.realclimate.org/

Home of the Mann who uses upside down data.

Upside Down Mann Lives on in Kemp et al 2011

As scientist/blogger Gavin Schmidt has indicated, the early years of the EIV Global reconstruction rely heavily on Tiljander to pass its “validation” test: “…it’s worth pointing out that validation for the no-dendro/no-Tilj is quite sensitive to the required significance, for EIV NH Land+Ocean it goes back to 1500 for 95%, but 1300 for 94% and 1100 AD for 90%” (link). Also see RealClimate here (Gavin’s responses to comments 525, 529, and 531).

The dependence of the first two-thirds of the EIV recon on the inclusion of Tiljander’s data series isn’t mentioned in the text of Kemp11. Nor is it discussed in the SI, although it is an obvious and trivial explanation for the pre-1100 divergence noted in the SI’s Figures S3, S4, and S5.

Peer review appears to have been missing in action on this glaring shortcoming in Kemp11′s methodology.

More than anything, I am surprised by this zombie-like re-appearance of the Tiljander data series — nearly three years after the eruption of the controversy over their misuse as temperature proxies! http://climateaudit.org/2011/06/21/amac-upside-down-mann-lives-onin-kemp-et-al-2011/

James47 are you Poptech under a new pseudonym?

“Every year since 2001 was warmer than any year before 1998 - as far back as he records go.The last decade was warmer than the 1990s, which was warmer than the 1980s, which was warmer than the 1970s.There were twice as many record highs as record lows in the past decade.”

All of these things are evidence that the climate changes only, they are not evidence that CO2 is the cause. You only assume it to be.

Klem –

Please provide a scientific explanation for why each decade has been hotter than the last. There must be a scientific explantion – “natural causes” doesn’t cut it. What exactly are those causes – natural or otherwise? The sun? No. Cosmic radiation. No. Come on Klem, what is it?

In fact, the only valid scientific explanation for this warming is manmade greenhouse gas emissions.

“The AFP complaint also asserts that carbon emissions trading is unconstitutional because it infringes on federal authority to set rules on air pollution and electrical power transmission across states.”

Gee, I thought AFP, being basically Libertarian in nature, was all about states’ rights. And now they’re arguing that a state is infringing on federal authority?

AFP is correct. States can not make arrangement between themselves. The Commerce clause premepts the States. Apparently Bill you have no understanding of the States rights argument as you demonstrated above. States rights means that the States have the right to nullify federal laws which are not enforceable due to the Constitution. This power comes from the 1oth Amendment. Perhaps you should read Thomas Jefferson’s comments about nullification for a better understanding of the issue. The latest example of the States using this power is the Real ID Act that Bush passed. It has still not been implemented because the States refuse to do so.

James47, the 10th amendment does not prevent ALL types of arrangements though does it? I am not an expert, but states are allowed to trade between one another right? Also, has the federal government challenged the basis of the RGGI? If the federal government thinks it’s rights are being infringed upon, they would be the ones in court perhaps.

I am not certain. I am just familiar with the concept and examples where it has been implemented. Im sure that if a court was deciding a case between two states then a decision like that would be applicable. The system was setup this way to prevent one state from holding a business hostage or an unfair trade advantage over another state.

It sounds like a red herring or a straw man argument you are making then. States are allowed to make commerce and trade. Why not do so with carbon? Preventing this from occuring is actually a trade barrier. I suspect that if the federal government told states that interstate commerce was illegal, then there would be plenty more lawsuits. Basically, if the federal government steps in, then you are right. But to assume that it opposes the RGGI in principle is misleading I suspect.

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McKeon adds that pulling out of the RGGI disregards “…the intent of the Legislature which required New Jersey to be a member of RGGI,” and that “Governor Christie is ignoring the will of the people…”
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Now the will of the people ought to boot him out of office at the first chance.

Funny how Christie just keeps getting more popular all the time – just not with the left-wing entitlement class, LOL!

Well the NRDC poll shows that removing NJ from the RGGI would be unpopular…entitled to clean air?

You seem confused. This has nothing to do with “clean air”. CO2 is a normal trace constituent of air. We all inhale and exhale it constantly, with no ill effects.

In fact, all life on Earth would cease to exist without CO2.

Have you looked at Christie’s polling numbers in NJ lately? His popularity is totally underwater. Pretty much any Democrat could beat him if there were an election tomorrow.

Regardless of who is backing who, it is just reassuring to sanity returning to some of the State governmens.

Finally they are seeing the obvious. AGW is/was a non issue.

I repeat. WUWT is not a reliable source of information and Steven Goddard is most certainly not a reliable source of informatiom

He is good at completely faked and cherry picked charts of sea ice, temps etc. He was so bad, so obviously wrong, that even Watts ditched him. Not that Watts minds spreading disinformation, just dont make it so obvious.

Then again, you actually think Desmogblog, a left wing website run by a PR company, and funded by a convicted money-launderer, *IS* a reliable source of information.

Yeah, that would be consistent.

Here’s today’s junk science from WUWT

Glickstein and WUWT’s Confusion about Reasoned Skepticism
3 July 2011

“Glickstein’s supposed “science-based reasoned views”. They contained not a single valid scientific or reasonable argument, and in fact were nothing more than a regurgitation of several long-debunked climate myths, weaved into a number of conspiracy theories. Based on these myths, Glickstein arrives at the following conclusion: http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=853

skepticalscience.com/

I not a credible or rialible source of information.

It is a private blog run a hobiest who freely admits he is no expert on climate or science.

Just another blogger with an opinion.

The difference between the conspiracy website WUWT and skepticalscience is that WUWT deliberately published fabricated data (eg a lot of hot air about Climategate). On the other hand you got actual scientist publishing at skepticalscience and the data is based on science. Something which is missing over at WUWT.

Therefor it is correct to assert that WUWT is not a reliable source.

McKeon adds that pulling out of the RGGI disregards “…the intent of the Legislature which required New Jersey to be a member of RGGI,” and that “Governor Christie is ignoring the will of the people…”

Correction - Governor Christie is ignoring the will of the Legislature not the will of the people. With deductive powers of this magnitude, it no wonder Democrat politicans are unable to discern the proper course of action.