On Global Warming, the Tea Party is Worse than the GOP

Wed, 2011-09-07 09:49Chris Mooney
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On Global Warming, the Tea Party is Worse than the GOP

There’s a fascinating new public opinion analysis out today from Anthony Leiserowitz and the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication. It looks at political divides and how they impact one’s views of the science, but with this new twist—Tea Partiers and Republicans are treated differently.

And look what results:

  • 53 percent of Republicans believe global warming is happening, but just 34 % of Tea Partiers.
  • 56 percent of Republicans, but 69 % of Tea Party members, say there is “a lot of disagreement” among scientists about whether global warming is happening.
  • Tea Party members are much more likely than Republicans (45 % to 20 %) to have heard of “ClimateGate.”
  • Staggering, but not surprising if you’ve been following my posts: “Tea Party members are much more likely to say that they are ‘very well informed’ about global warming than the other groups,” according to the Yale study. “Likewise, they are also much more likely to say they ‘do not need any more information’ about global warming to make up their mind.”

In other words, Tea Party members are more extreme than Republicans in their rejection of the scientific consensus on global warming—simultaneously more wrong, and also more sure of themselves.

What’s up with that?

Well, the study also shows that Tea Partiers are more likely than other Republicans to be “born again” Christians and to doubt evolution, and highly individualistic and anti-egalitarian in their moral values.

In short, what we appear to be seeing in them is a kind of merger of right wing free market views on the one hand, and the unwavering certainty associated with certain forms of fundamentalist religion on the other.

They know they’re right, they know that liberals and scientists—and most of all, President Obama—are wrong, and there is no swaying them in that. (There is also some reason to think that Tea Party members are authoritarian in their outlook, wanting to impose various types of Christian views in government.)

When you merge this with previous data on white male conservatives and climate change, it becomes apparent that the person least likely to change his mind on this issue and accept the science is a 1) white 2) male 3) conservative 4) Tea Party American.

So what should we do? This gets back to the whole debate with Dave Roberts about whether to “beat” them by being better at politics. That's a tactical discussion where folks will differ, but one thing is clear–we're all better off in knowing precisely who the opposition is.

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The Tea Party and most Libertarians by a large margin feel that global warming is a manufactured hoax to deny them ‘freedom’- and to destroy the free enterprise system.

You can go over and over the data, the observations, the paleo climates of the past- and how CO2 throughout earths long geologic history has been responsible for massive climate change- but they still deny it all.

reasoning with these people is impossible- the truth will come however has climate change and its nasty and costly side effects kick in-

when their greedy bottom lines begin to suffer- they may begin to changer their minds.

The Tea Party is worried about ‘Red’s & ‘Socialists‘  et al destroying the free enterprise system– the only thing going to bring down the free enterprise system is global warming- with a huge thud by around 2030-

as Bette Davis said in ‘All About Eve’ ‘Fasten your Seat Belt- its Going to Be a Bumpy Night’

As long as we are making predictions - here’s mine:

Western industrial co2 emissions wil plunge precipitously in the next few years, thanks to massive unavoidable system wide economic crashes. People will riot. Living standards will plunge and organized crime will win the day.

So really nothing to worry about.

“People will riot. Living standards will plunge and organized crime will win the day.”

Isn’t that in reality, what the Libertarians are actually voting for? In their minds, they are after Liberty!!! It’s all about the liberty!! Let us have freedom!! In reality, they are parroting the dogma they have ingested from manipulators much smarter than themselves.

Libertarian fallacies:

1) Let us have freedom to carry weapons anywhere!!…until one of my family gets killed…then I’d like you to regulate.

2) Let us have less red tape on building practices!! It slows down growth!….Until someones husband is killed on a jobsite…..& in the end, when no one listens to their plea for action & investigation, they turn to the unions.

3) Let us have have no minimum wage!! It destroys our manufacturing sector these high wages!……Until your own wages are cut…then it’s unfair & you can’t survive on so little when everything is so expensive. Plus lets conveniently forget that Germany has a high wage system & still has a thriving manufacturing sector.

4) Let us have less bureaucrats , regulations & red tape on our industries & corporations!! It stifles growth & prevents job creation!! …….Hey! They got a machine to do my job, I thought they cared about people & jobs!? Hey, they just dumped a whole heap of waste on my property & when I complained, no one listened or came to my aid!! Useless government!!






 

A study was done on this. The termed coined is called the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Basically, some people are so dumb that they lack the cognitive ability to recognize that they are dumb.

I have long argued that trying to use logic and facts is a useless tactic with these people. Think of them like junior high schoolyard bullies. Their weakness is their egos. The best solution is to make them look and feel stupid. Better yet, embarrass them in front of a group of others (or on a message board). Get them laughed at. They will squirm away.

I know that many on the left shy away from these tactics because they “are too good for it”.

I’m sorry, but denigration works against those with a mentality that doesn’t know any better. Our desire to play fair only succeeds in getting our butts kicked.

I highly recommend watching the movie Thank You for Smoking. It gives useful insight into how this game is played.

“A study was done on this. The termed coined is called the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Basically, some people are so dumb that they lack the cognitive ability to recognize that they are dumb.”

It’s not about ability - it’s about assumptions being made about some specific field where a person has a less than complete education. Everyone is prone to this effect in areas in which they do not specialize.

“I have long argued that trying to use logic and facts is a useless tactic with these people. Think of them like junior high schoolyard bullies. Their weakness is their egos. The best solution is to make them look and feel stupid. Better yet, embarrass them in front of a group of others (or on a message board). Get them laughed at. They will squirm away.”

​If you enjoy advanced education in some particular field, why lower yourself to ridicule of others? Why don’t you use some superior explanation and art of persuasion to make your logic and facts more palatable? Are you not smart enough to do that?

“I know that many on the left shy away from these tactics because they “are too good for it”.”

​Charitable. There is plenty of bitter anger and mean spirited contempt on the left. Of course there are exceptions but do you really think the left is particularly known for playing nice? I hadn’t noticed.

“I’m sorry, but denigration works against those with a mentality that doesn’t know any better. Our desire to play fair only succeeds in getting our butts kicked.”

​Maybe you should teach high school. tell those slackers how stupid they are. that’ll fix em good

 

Libertarianism isn’t a perfect solution.

Just pointing out there are other unavoidable realities we are being faced with.

Having a laser focus on co2 is great and all that but if you stand back and take a look at the world, co2 is not the only game in town.

 @ Rick James

 I hear what you are saying about the potential for worse economic collapse.  And we need a functioning economy to tackle the issue of global warming.

 However, I think the best path to improving the economic outlook includes development of clean energy and energy efficiency

GetEnergySmartNow has an interesting article today on jobs, that covers some of this, and more.

http://getenergysmartnow.com/2011/09/06/jobs-jobs-jobs-fast/

 CO2 may not be the only issue, but it is the one that, if not dealt with, will likely ensure complete economic collapse, along with political collapse, societal collapse and maybe mass extinction in a human life time or two.
We can probably expect 4 C warming(from pre-industrial temps) by the end of the century, on a business as usual trajectory, something humans have never experienced.  The most probable result would be complete collapse of civilization and collapse of ecosystems about 100 years hence.   Food shortages from climate change would start many decades before then, and in fact may have already begun.

Above based on my guestimate of doubling of CO2 to about 560ppm by about 2080, for 3 C warming from pre-industrial time. 

 

What I often say to deniers is that Americans support action against countries that demonstrate a less than one percent chance of having nuclear weapon capabilities. We protect ourselves against a less than five percent statistical chance our house will burn. We insure ourselves for the less than twenty percent chance we may get sick. The question they need to deal with is, “what if the science is right?”

Tea Partiers dismiss this logic because they have experts who inform them about such topics, like Sarah Palin. The public gets their education from subsidized coal and oil industry ads, overwhelmingly prolific on the airwaves, indoctrinating the under-informed with half-truths and twisted perspectives.  The environmentally concerned would do better if they pooled resources to combat this media blast. Unfortunately, as long as the airwaves belong to wealthy industries and the news media remain only quasi-independent info-sources, the public will remain under or misinformed and pliable by those who perceive wealth in denial.

I will challenge that by pointing out that the very people who ridicule Palin and the Tea Party the most are pretty much all on board with Palin about what should be done about global warming.

The answer across a vast political spectrum is …. Do Nothing.

That’s why Obama was all about health care and now is all about jobs.

No one with actual power has climate on their agenda. You can blame Palin and the Tea Party if you want but that’s too easy.

Palin is hardly even a politician anymore. She just an occasional contributor on Fox and she gives some rah rah speeches and posts stuff on Facebook. She’s not your problem.

“The answer across a vast political spectrum is …. Do Nothing.”

So Obama has almost mirrored people like Rick Perry & Michelle Bachman & said climate change is all a hoax & we should do nothing? Despite capitulating to the fossil fuel industry, I haven’t heard Obama use any such language.

“That’s why Obama was all about health care and now is all about jobs.”

If it was all about the jobs he would remove fossil fuel subsidies & allow renewables to compete with fossil fuels on the free market. Thus creating millions of clean tech jobs. At least he wasn’t busted like denier & liar for hire Chris Christie, who after a call from the Koch, dropped his green initiatives. Well not yet anyway.

http://www.grist.org/energy-policy/2011-09-08-chris-christie-met-with-koch-brother-before-pulling-out-of-rggi

If fossil fuels were the savior for the country, they would have saved it a long while ago. The fact is, the fossil fuel industry uses less & less labour to extract & process minerals. It’s mostly a mechanized process now. The fossil fuel industry will make billionaires even richer, provide some government revenue, but provide relatively few jobs. It’s the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over & over & expecting a different result.

“Palin is hardly even a politician anymore.”

Was hardly one in the first place.

“She just an occasional contributor on Fox and she gives some rah rah speeches and posts stuff on Facebook. She’s not your problem.”

She can nominate & run tomorrow if she decided to.












 

“Despite capitulating to the fossil fuel industry, I haven’t heard Obama use any such language.”

well that’s the point - words don’t matter - actions do. 

A good politician is going to say all the right things but that doesn’t mean he fully believes it.

for example I live in Vancouver. I can go around telling people that it’s an earthquake zone and we better get ready for the big one. But if I don’t take the time and money to put together some survival supplies then I probably don’t really believe it’s coming or that it’s anything to really be concerned about.

Unlike most people I actually have a good survival pack.

well that’s the point - words don’t matter - actions do. 

A good politician is going to say all the right things but that doesn’t mean he fully believes it.”

It’s a bit hard when the Republicans only objective is their own interests & not the interests of the country. They are now there only to oppose. As a GOP insider who left has now exposed.

“It should have been evident to clear-eyed observers that the Republican Party is becoming less and less like a traditional political party in a representative democracy and becoming more like an apocalyptic cult, or one of the intensely ideological authoritarian parties of 20th century Europe. This trend has several implications, none of them pleasant.”

And:

“Far from being a rarity, virtually every bill, every nominee for Senate confirmation and every routine procedural motion is now subject to a Republican filibuster. Under the circumstances, it is no wonder that Washington is gridlocked: legislating has now become war minus the shooting, something one could have observed 80 years ago in the Reichstag of the Weimar Republic. As Hannah Arendt observed, a disciplined minority of totalitarians can use the instruments of democratic government to undermine democracy itself.”

And:

“A couple of years ago, a Republican committee staff director told me candidly (and proudly) what the method was to all this obstruction and disruption. Should Republicans succeed in obstructing the Senate from doing its job, it would further lower Congress’s generic favorability rating among the American people. By sabotaging the reputation of an institution of government, the party that is programmatically against government would come out the relative winner.”

http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

 

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