DeSmog Oil Sands "Arctic Front" Spotted in New Delhi

Wed, 2008-04-23 14:38Emily Murgatroyd
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DeSmog Oil Sands "Arctic Front" Spotted in New Delhi

The latest sighting of Arctic Front polar bear activity has been in our outpost in New Delhi.

As regular readers know, we have an army of big, mad polar bears deployed across Canada that can pop up anytime to raise awareness about the damaging environmental impacts of the Alberta Oil Sand operations.

But did you know we now have outposts in New Delhi, Romania, Israel, the United Kingdom, Australia and many other countries around the world?

We'll keep you posted. If you would like to keep up-to-date on the Arctic Front and other DeSmog activities, consider signing up for our weekly DeSmog newsletter by going here.

 

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I can just imagine how people in India are laughing at the idiot Canadian pushing silly propoganda that essentially shoots himself in the foot.
The people of India are not stupid.
They know idiocy when they see it.

Sometimes it is really hard to admit I am Canadian with such nutbars running around.

Here is a link to the ICSC where you can sign up to promote real science.
Over 500 prominent scientists so far.
Make your voice count.
http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/

Yawn.

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"Al `Fat Al' Gore [is fat]" -- Harold Pierce

Sorry....

Hello Frank!

Don Albert is fat!

I was just writing about Steve Milloy's (in)activist plan for stonewalling carbon regulation, which involves buying stocks in USCAP companies and dishing out "shareholder proposals".

http://tinyurl.com/3ldppp

Perhaps an approach that DeSmoggers may also want to consider (if it's not being done already)?

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"Al `Fat Al' Gore [is fat]" -- Harold Pierce

I was not aware of that plan.
Thank You. I will check it out and if it looks workable, get busy promoting it amoung the realists.
Could work.... could work.

Maybe they're hoping people in India won't figure it out?

"As regular readers know, we have an army of big, mad polar bears deployed across Canada that can pop up anytime to raise awareness about the damaging environmental impacts of the Alberta Oil Sand operations."

Ever notice they never show up in places like Fort McMurray? I'd pay good money to see that. Idiots.

Just heard on the new this morning that Ontario is in Recession.
With their economy on the down turn, the only remaining contributors to the pot are the oil producing provinces.
Which means, if the oil sands were to be shutdown, Canada would go immediately into deficit and recession.
No more lavish social programs in Quebec paid for by Alberta.
Hmmmmm. Think that is going to happen?

Mr. Troll,

Rather than have our economy rely on a finite resource woudn't it be better to develop a strategy to reinvigorate the manufacturing sector. Hell, Alberta doesn't even do any of its own refining. How dumb is that? A better strategy would be to do what the New England Clean Energy Council is doing. Partner with VC's and other corporations to accelerate the development of new technologies that will sustain the economy in the long run. What's Alberta (and by your contention, the rest of the country) going to do when we run out of oil?

When the oil runs out in 100 years or so Alberta will be one of the top technology exporting centers.
You people should do more digging. You always assume so much. (Kind of like the IPCC)
The money Alberta is making today is being reinvested in new and yes sustainable technologies.
The only real difference in how it is done here is that nobody is running around screeming that the sky is falling and enacting ill conceived knee jerk policies that will ultimately fail and cause considerable harm in the process.

Get a grip. There is no Crisis.

So a full on ression is OK with you?
Lets plunge into poverty to pretend to be green?

Wide Eyed Innocent Tree hugging greenies....
God spare us....

Which projects is Alberta developing -- other than the nuclear plants, which given the water being consumed in developing the oil sands might not be a good strategy (and I'm not anti-nuclear)? What types of other technologies are being developed? Which Alberta based VC funds are investing in new technologies? And Ontario is likely already in a recession. What I'd like to know is how your very narrow view of the world helps the country move forward. BTW, you must be really insecure to have to end every post with an insult. Why is that?

That is just a reaction to the constant insults that anyone not bowing to the Goracle get on sites like these.
Nothing personal. Just responding in kind.
One technology that Alberta is working very hard on is Carbon sequestration.
While I don't see any need to cut or sequester CO2, the popular conception is that it will be useful in the future.
And as far as narrow views.
AGW is the narrow view.
I prefer to look at all the data and evaluate based on the broad view.
Once you are able to open your mind a bit and look at whole picture, it will be very difficult indeed to keep on denying reality.
Give it a try. It is not as scary as you have been lead to believe.

Here is an interesting place to begin:
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/348

I wouldn't count carbon sequestration as a technology that can be replicated across markets. It has very limited application even if you accept that it's actually going to work. I'm talking about the development of new technologies and industries that will improve the Canadian economy outside of Alberta. So what other investments are being made and which VCs are moving this forward? I still don't see any meat here.

I do count Carbon Sequestration as exportable.
As long as the AGW myth hangs in there, sheeple will buy into anything that sounds green.
Others... I don't have a list available. There is a large research park in Edmonton dedicated to the task however. If I run across more examples I will post them.
In the mean time, we were talking about the sheer stupidity of shutting down the only real money producer that is paying for all your socialist programs, not what else Alberta should be doing to support all the dead beats looking for hand outs.
Alberta will be quite busy paying off the national debt (for you) for at least the next 50 years.

"Rather than have our economy rely on a finite resource woudn't it be better to develop a strategy to reinvigorate the manufacturing sector."

Oh yeah. That would be really popular with environmentalists. And just what are we supposed to manufacture without a supply of cheap energy?

"Hell, Alberta doesn't even do any of its own refining. How dumb is that?"

LOL! You obviously don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about.

"What's Alberta (and by your contention, the rest of the country) going to do when we run out of oil?"

Based on current and projected rates of production from Athabasca alone, maybe we'll have to deal with that question -- in 170 years.

Rob,

By you're response, I take it that you're against capitalism. Maybe that's why you reference Mao. Can't think of any other reason. Those of us who support captialism see green technologies as the foundation for alot of innovative new businesses. Manufacturing is supported by cheaper more efficient methods of producing energy -- including geothermal, wind etc. It's too bad that you want to turn the country into a totalitarian communist state.

Alberta produce raw bitumen that is shipped to the United States for processing. That was one of the big issues in the last election.

As for your final point. The oil may last 170 years. By your comments I take it that you don't care what your children or their children will be left with once the oil runs out. You'd better tell them now so they can move to another country where there's better opportunity.

"By you're response, I take it that you're against capitalism. Maybe that's why you reference Mao. Can't think of any other reason."

Yeah, Kim. I see your point. I hate capitalism. That's why I mentioned Mao having killed 43 million people.

Or maybe I'm promoting Mao among my fellow environmentalists, for so preciently reducing China's carbon footprint by 43 million pairs?

"Those of us who support captialism see green technologies as the foundation for alot of innovative new businesses."

Fair enough. But I wonder how much you actually "support" capitalism? Do you support it enough to do without massive government subsidies for your "green technologies"?

I'm guessing not. Since the main goal of capitalism is making money -- as a "capitalist", you likely wouldn't invest one dime of your own money in any of these schemes. The fact is, without taxpayer financed subsidies, most of these schemes fail to meet the central criterion of capitalism. They don't make money.

"Manufacturing is supported by cheaper more efficient methods of producing energy -- including geothermal, wind etc."

There's only one problem: neither of those methods are cheap or efficient. Certainly they're not more cheap and efficient than conventional energy sources -- otherwise, we'd be using them, wouldn't we?

"Alberta produce raw bitumen that is shipped to the United States for processing. That was one of the big issues in the last election."

So? As a self-professed supporter of capitalism, I don't see why you would have an argument against doing something in a way that is cheap and efficient? Besides, as far as bitumen processing goes, Alberta will have the capability to handle 80% of it internally within about ten years. They can't just build that capacity out of thin air.

"As for your final point. The oil may last 170 years. By your comments I take it that you don't care what your children or their children will be left with once the oil runs out."

Aside from the fact that I don't have children, no, I don't care. I'm pretty sure not many people cared 170 years ago, in 1838, whether we'd be left with anything in present day, either. Yet here we are.

"You'd better tell them now so they can move to another country where there's better opportunity."

Yeah, and while I'm at it, I'll tell them never to extract any resources there, either, for fear someone will start complaining they'll possibly run out in the distant future. Sorry, but I've got more faith in the inventiveness and resourcefulness of future generations than you seem to.

Rob,
Fair enough. But I wonder how much you actually "support" capitalism? Do you support it enough to do without massive government subsidies for your "green technologies"?

The only industry that's been getting massive subsidies over the past decades are the oil and gas industries. They are by far greater than the subsidies that green technologies are getting. Why aren't you objecting to these? How much do you believe in capitalism?

I do see the role of government is to ensure markets align with the public good -- even Adam Smith believed that. Are you going to tell me that Smith didn't believe in markets and capitalism?

There's only one problem: neither of those methods are cheap or efficient. Certainly they're not more cheap and efficient than conventional energy sources -- otherwise, we'd be using them, wouldn't we?

The costs of alternative energy are far cheaper than gas or oil. For example, heating costs of a home that installs geothermal are about 60% less than using gas or oil (probably greater than that now). The cost is in the installation of the heating unit, which for a small house would probably be in the $25,000 range. That's where government comes in. Allowing taxpayers to write off these expenses on an accelerated basis or providing interest free loans would be a way to establish the market. Once the market is established it's likely that prices would come down and be in line with gas furnaces, etc.

So? As a self-professed supporter of capitalism, I don't see why you would have an argument against doing something in a way that is cheap and efficient?

I'm not sure what your point is. You were the one who said Alberta was already doing more value added production. But since they're not my point is well taken. The other question is why Alberta is not trying to build a larger industry beyond oil refining to include oil based products. Right now Alberta is at the bottom rung of the economic ladder as far as production is concerned.

Aside from the fact that I don't have children, no, I don't care.
Well at least we know your philosophy. Screw everyone else I'm in this for me. That says alot.

If the Birkenstock-clad enviros show up in Fort McMurray, it is very likely that prairie folk will kick the tar out of them and run them right out town.

I propose that the town council established a militia of prairie horsemen (The Prairie Patrol) armed with ten foot Texas bullwhips and accompanied by cattle dogs. If the enviros ever show for up for the "Showdown at Athabasca" and looking for a gunfight, I'm quite sure the Prairie Patrol will call'em out and I don't want to think about what the cowboys and prairie folk might do to them.

Contrary to popular belief, Berkenstock sandals do not confer invisibilty to wearer.

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Harold is ignorant about Fort McMurray. For one thing, it's not a prairie city, it's in what was boreal forest and is now more like a moonscape.

... Residents who have grown up in the region, especially Aboriginal residents, tend to express more concern over health and environment than those new to the area. People with a long history in the community claim to have noticed significant changes in the health of the Clearwater and Athabasca rivers, saying that fish populations have plummeted, and the water itself is not safe to drink. They have been told by officials not to eat more than one fish per week from the rivers. Changes in human health have also been noted, especially an increase in cancer and diabetes. Elders tell that these diseases did not exist in their youth, but are now commonplace and causing great harm to the Aboriginal population...

http://www.ualberta.ca/PARKLAND/post/Vol-VIII-No3/07mitchell.html

"Harold is ignorant about Fort McMurray. For one thing, it's not a prairie city, it's in what was boreal forest and is now more like a moonscape."

He didn't say Fort McMurray was a prairie city.
It's also not a "moonscape". When is the last time you visited Fort Mac, VJ?

Oh, never? Okay. Run along now.

Of course, I know that Ft. McMurray is in the boreal forest. But "The Boreal Patrol" just doesn't cut it.

Suppose Athabasca was a open pit diamond mine. There wouldn't be one squeak or squawk from the enviros about "destruction of the enviroment", especially from the ladies!

FYI there are two big open pit diamond mines in the north, and these run 24/7/365, and all the energy to operate these mines comes from collossal amounts of Diesel. Snap Lake is one of the biggest underground diamond mines in history and is operated by DeBeers.

"If the Birkenstock-clad enviros show up in Fort McMurray, it is very likely that prairie folk will kick the tar out of them and run them right out town.

And just to be eco-friendly, they'd use that tar to affix some feathers.

Why is digging up tar-laden sand, cleaning and putting it back on and in the ground an enviromental diaster while conversion of land for growing grain is not? Like the lower third of Sask is one huge humungous grain field!
All the bison are gone as well as most of the native plains plants and animals, but the enviroment has not collapsed and turned into a wasteland!

In fact most of the Great Plains in NA is now one big giant garden and demise of the central region of the continent is not emminent!

The AGW movement is all about power and wealth.
Any form or cheap energy offers the masses freedom.
Freedom is a big problem for socialists that wish to control you and extract wealth from you.
Hence; any source of cheap energy will be attacked as evil.
That in a nut shell is why CO2 is pushed sooo hard in spite of all the clear evidence that it has a very small effect on climate.

Here are some quotes from famous people in the AGW industry to illistrate what I mean:

"Climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart, Canada's former environment minister

"No matter if the science is all phony, there are still collateral benefits" to global warming policies.
- Christine Stewart

"To capture the public imagination, we have to offer up some scary scenarios, make simplified dramatic statements and little mention of any doubts one might have. Each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective, and being honest."
- Stephen Schneider, lead 2007 UN IPCC (United Nations International Panel on Climate Control) report author, who made this statement in 1989.
Schneider also wrote one of the reports that led to the global-cooling scare of the 1970s.

"Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental."
- Dave Forman, founder of Earth First!

The Kyoto Protocol is "the first component of an authentic global governance."
- Jacques Chirac, then president of France,

"Giving society cheap, abundant energy ... would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun."
- Paul Ehrlich, 1978.

"Free enterprise really means rich people get richer. They have the freedom to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in the process. ... Capitalism is destroying the earth."
- Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists

"The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States: We can't let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the U.S. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are."
- Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund

Harold and Troll, liars both.

What a well stated, researched and substantiated rebuttle!!!!.

Harold!!!

Why havn't we thought of that debate strategy?

Just call them liars.

End of argument.

Efficient, to the point.

WOW.

The truth hurts, doesn't it.

Hello Troll!

We post salvos of truth, and VJ, suffering from "truth shell shock" can only utter gibberish. We got him, and he is on the run!

VJ, Harold and the Troll take no prisoners!

"Harold and the Troll" sounds really cool. There's gotta be some movie and video game deals here. A story about the warriors Harold and the Troll wielding the Swords of Truth and Righteousness, slaying the evil Warmers, and liberating Mother Earth from their tyranny!

without the oilsand, where is canada going to get money from to invest in education, technology for the future? Without the energy power, American will likely to continue to treat us like a lower class Mexican neigbor. why doesnt Alberta go separate? why has to pay for those who r not appreciated. Many canadians have moved to Alberta for jobs, can Canadians live prospectly with the oilsand? why cant those environmentists stop driving or flying around to attend conferences first to be a good example of green? if they r continuing to drive and fly, someone need to live in the North cold to get the oil to serve their needs.

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