How Can I Get on Amy's Guest List?

Wed, 2007-03-14 06:04Richard Littlemore
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How Can I Get on Amy's Guest List?

Amy Ridenour, friend of big tobacco, big oil and the big Jack Abramoff, and proprietor of the National Centre for Public Policy Research, recently held a Deniers' Luncheon with Tim Ball as the guest of honour. Amy has even provided a photo on her blogsite in which you can see Dr. Ball showing the gap between what he says about climate change and what honest-to-goodness climatologists hold to be accurate science.

If you strain, you can also see Amy (to Ball's left) and, (continuing to the left) the handsome Mr. (David) Ridenour (I think), S. Fred Singer and Pat Michaels. I would be delighted to know a) who else was at the table and b) who paid for lunch. And I would have paid the tab out of the vast Littlemore family fortune if I could have sat in for the conversation. I don't think I would have learned anything about science, but these folks sure seem to know a good deal about teamwork.

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Well, these are just the current people that *you* are tracking at NCPPR. They got two characters that come straight out of tobacco – Bonner Cohen and Tom Borelli. They’re both all over the tobacco documents, part of The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition, etc….

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At least he is consistent:

Wed, March 14, 2007 Calgary Sun Debunking global warming myths, By LICIA CORBELLA Tim Ball, “…one nut on the right rear wheel”

Right Minded Conservative Commentary from Mark A. Rose June 30, 2005 Tim Ball, “one wheel nut on the right rear wheel”

Canadian Scientists Dismiss Threat of Climate Change By Alexa Moutevelis, CNSNews.com Correspondent June 27, 2005 “one nut on the right rear wheel,” Ball said.

Front Centre for Public Policy Whither the weather? http://www.fcpp.org/pdf/TimBallNov0504pdf.pdf Tim Ball, “one wheel nut on the right rear wheel”

Climatologist blames lack of `Arctic flow’ Warm air blows in from south and B.C. Jan. 12, 2006. CURTIS RUSH Tim Ball, “one wheel nut on the right rear wheel”

Muttering in Manitoba, Climate Change for Lunch March 12, 2007 Tim Ball, “one wheel nut on the right rear wheel”

Wednesday, March 14, 2007 The Great Global Warming Swindle Tim Ball, “one wheel nut on the right rear wheel”

Theage.com.au Climate change October 1, 2005 Tim Ball, “one wheel nut on the right rear wheel”

Mr. Minority, Monday, June 27, 2005 Let’s Debunk “Global Warming” Tim Ball, “one wheel nut on the right rear wheel”

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Hi Richard, As you keep a list of Climate Deniers I’m keeping one of Climate Fascists. Welcome to the list. http://tinyurl.com/2qhyse Moreover, the moral question of spending trillions of dollars on the non-problem of global warming is rarely addressed by the left. That’s why you’d struggle with the reference on http://tinyurl.com/25x87z And, finally, I know they’re only simple questions but given that nobody wants to answer them, maybe you can help. http://tinyurl.com/38ym6g Cheers Jack

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Ball’s main claim about the data is that CO2 “plummeted at Mauna Loa” during 1991-1992. Let’s see if they brush this off and ignore it, or is they point to the evidence of this plummet. Go to google, and search ‘images’ on the key words Mauna Loa CO2. Do you see the plummet? If the deniers do not respond, they admit that Ball is wrong even on this most strongly worded and specific claim. His other claim is that the estimate of “pre-industrial atmospheric carbon dioxide level of 270 ppmv” … “determines the slope of the carbon dioxide increase.” Would you say this is true?

quote

Agricultural Dimensions of Global Climate Change

Edited by Harry M. Kaiser and Thomas E. Drennen

Delray Beach, Florida: St. Lucie Press, 1993, 311 pp.

// Book Review by Tim Ball,

Canadian Journal of Agricultural Economics 42 (2): 212-214 (JUL 1994)

The editors say that “The primary aim of the book is to give the reader a thorough understanding of the central issues surrounding this complex problem. ” They fail to do this, making the secondary aims redundant. … The book fails in the primary objective because it does not understand the primary issues of climate change. … Many make the foolish “just in case argument. ” There are enough measured and proven problems that need attention. To spread scarce resources “just in case” defies logic. To pursue every supposed threat without proper assessment and priorizing is bad planning. This is the premise of the book yet it does exactly that.

…carbon dioxide. There is no evidence to support this speculation. It is single variable science at its worst. A multitude of factors can cause climate change. The connection between carbon dioxide and warming does not bear examination. For example, carbon dioxide from anthropogenic sources increased the most from 1940 to 1980 while global temperature decreased. Atmospheric carbon dioxide readings plummeted at Mauna Loa in the last two years. Why?

…The editors show their lack of understanding of the following quote. “There is no question whether the greenhouse effect is real. In the absence of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, the planet would be cold and lifeless with average temperatures 33 C colder than they are today. ’ ’ It is true of all greenhouse gasses (GHGs) not just carbon dioxide. This is an error so fundamental that it would automatically fail a student paper. They cite the pre-industrial atmospheric carbon dioxide level of 270 ppmv. I challenge the editors to find the source and validity of this figure. It is critical because it determines the slope of the carbon dioxide increase.

There are more disturbing problems, errors and omissions. ..

Richard Lindzen once said about climate change that “The consensus has been reached before the research has even begun.” It is still true and this book does nothing to resolve the problem.

Tim Ball, University of Winnipeg

end of quote
Note that this review is the main paper that Ball has written on climate change. This is the heart of his work on greenhouse gas, etc. If those who praise Ball on this blog ignore this challenge and ignore the “Ball hypotheses” (a. CO2 plummeted in 1991-92; b. the CO2 time series is so flat that the preindustrial point sets the slope over time), then they very clearly admit Ball’s science is just chaff. Maybe they can see something in the data that we can’t, or refuse to look at it.

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Aren’t any of the people who see Ball as the REAL climate scientist going to test his hypothesis?

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