ICSC: International Climate Science Confusion

Sun, 2008-03-23 22:31Richard Littlemore
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ICSC: International Climate Science Confusion

Our old friend Tom Harris, energy-industry lobbyist turned, well, turned into a badly disguised energy-industry lobbyist, has gone international, taking over as executive director of the International Climate Science Coalition.

The ICSC appears to be a New Zealand-based version of the usual suspects, a group of self-proclaimed experts who do little or no research on climate change, but who can always make time to serve on the advisory board of any oily organization that is trying to forestall action on global warming.

ICSC offers no information as to the source of its funding, so we would be delighted if any freelance DeSmoggers out there can offer any insight into the history and economic roots of the organization.

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ICSC offers no information as to the source of its funding, so we would be delighted if any freelance DeSmoggers out there can offer any insight into the history and economic roots of the organization.”

And that would prove, what, exactly?

You never seem to be able to address the arguments of your opponents, so, as usual you resort to these sorts of ad hominem attacks.

This speaks volumes as to the lack of quality of your arguments. Though it doesn’t exactly do your position much credit, now does it?

I kinda thought this was the more important part to focus on, from a scientific credibility standpoint that is.

“”a group of self-proclaimed experts who do little or no research on climate change, but who can always make time to serve on the advisory board of any oily organization that is trying to forestall action on global warming.”“

How much research does Al Gore or David Suzuki do? Odd that you don’t seem to have a problem with their credibility on that basis?

rob, is Naomi Oreskes fat?

What about James Hansen?

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“Al `Fat Al’ Gore [is fat]” – Harold Pierce

I don’t get my scientific understanding from either of them. IPCC, is a good start, some papers from journals directly as well. I’ve read most of the report sections that interest me. Meaning peer reviewed science is my source of information. Not sure why you think those are my sources, but then you like posting about things you know nothing about.

Rob, that’s what they call. Reputation generated by press! Works quit well.

The stated purpose of this blog is to “to clear the PR pollution that is clouding the science on climate change”, ie, to point out when people like the ICSC try to dupe the public, catching out their colleagues in public relations. If you want to talk science rather than PR misbehaviour, go to the button in the righthand column clearly labeled THE SCIENCE IS CLEAR, where you will find the scientific material, presented by scientists.

Fern Mackenzie

Rob said: “You never seem to be able to address the arguments of your opponents”

On the contrary, denialists’ arguments–almost always misrepresented facts, made up factoids, fabricated “evidence,” or outright lies–are whacked as fast as they pop up using actual verifiable facts referenced by actual sources, but that doesn’t stop them from using the same tired, oft refuted arguments again and again and again….

Denialism: “The position of governments, business groups, interest groups, or individuals who reject propositions on which a scientific consensus or widely-accepted historical evidence exists. …
“The employment of rhetorical tactics to give the appearance of argument or legitimate debate, when in actuality there is none. These false arguments are used when one has few or no facts to support one’s viewpoint against a scientific consensus or against overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They are effective in distracting from actual useful debate using emotionally appealing, but ultimately empty and illogical assertions.” - Wikipedia

…now that absolutely explains why denialists are so darn obsessed with Gore and Suzuki.

Because actually discussing – Heaven forbid! – science and scientists will shift the battleground to the land of facts and evidence, so to speak, and that’s a totally bad idea.

And besides, talking about scientists just isn’t a good way to rile up the emotions. I mean, who ever heard of Claus Froehlich the Antichrist?

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Frank Bi, http://tinyurl.com/yrpnmd
“Al `Fat Al’ Gore [is fat]” – Harold Pierce

For those who don’t know, little Robby here is using a clever-by-half diversion tactic called “playing dumb”, something most triple-dig IQ bipeds stopped doing somewhere around the sixth grade because they realized they weren’t fooling anybody. Robby still thinks he is.

Shockingly, a lobbying org’s message correlates highly (and positively) with its leadership, ideological underpinnings, and financing sources, with the causality moving in the same direction. While I find his childish dissimulation charming to a point, Roberto el Pato blows it with his use of the term “ad hominem” and unsubstantiated bluster about “arguement quality”. Such psuedo intellectual off-gassing is not only a sign that our little Bobsie twin finds himself several inches short of the g-spot, but also that he may himself be getting served by a passenger on the Rectal Canyon Express who happens to have his own interests regarding this group.

I guess what it breaks down to, Bob-o, is that we really can’t take your arguements at face value unless you can prove to us that the four-finger geanie isn’t rubbing out his three wishes on your little pooper.

What’s Timmy Ball going to do without his trusty sidekick?

According to the “New Zealand Climate Science Coalition” web site:

“Four members of our New Zealand Coalition have been part of a team representing the International Climate Science Coalition at the UN FCCC meeting in Bali.”

http://www.webcitation.org/5WYZtfpXz

So perhaps the ICSC is some sort of umbrella organization that encompasses the NZCSC (which, by the way, is mentioned on SourceWatch).

…or alternatively, the ICSC doesn’t actually exist as a separate entity, and is merely another front web site set up and operated by the same puppetmasters behind the NZCSC. (A whois reveals that their web sites (nzclimatescience.net, climatescienceinternational.org) are both registered by the same registrant. Coincidence? Well, in light of the fact that the other web sites in .nz I found with a Google search all had different registrants… Caveat surfor, dulce et decorum, lorem ipsum.)

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Frank Bi, http://tinyurl.com/yrpnmd
“Al `Fat Al’ Gore [is fat]” – Harold Pierce