New Scientist debunks the skeptic myths
Hi, New Scientist? Yes, I would like to order 300 million copies of your Climate Change: Guide for the perplexed. Yes, and please send about 200 copies to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20500. New Scientist's upcoming issue will include what is by far the most comprehensive debunking of the global warming myths, continuously used by the small handful of so-called "experts" who say either: a) global warming isn't happening; (b) humans are not too blame, and anything in between.
Ever wondered about "medieval warming?" "The Little Ice Age?" "Cosmic Rays?" And of the other denier messages? Check out the New Scientist here, save them to the hard drive and get the message out.
Here's links to each thorough debunking:
Human CO2 emissions are too tiny to matter
We can't do anything about climate change
The 'hockey stick' graph has been proven wrong
Chaotic systems are not predictable
We can't trust computer models of climate
They predicted global cooling in the 1970s
It's been far warmer in the past, what's the big deal?
It's too cold where I live - warming will be great
Global warming is down to the Sun, not humans
CO2 isn't the most important greenhouse gas
The lower atmosphere is cooling, not warming
Antarctica is getting cooler, not warmer, disproving global warming
The cooling after 1940 shows CO2 does not cause warming
It was warmer during the Medieval period, with vineyards in England
We are simply recovering from the Little Ice Age
Warming will cause an ice age in Europe
Ice cores show CO2 increases lag behind temperature rises, disproving the link to global warming
Ice cores show CO2 rising as temperatures fell
Mars and Pluto are warming too
Many leading scientists question climate change
Hurricane Katrina was caused by global warming
Higher CO2 levels will boost plant growth and food production
Polar bear numbers are increasing
Would love to see Steve "the junkman" Milloy's eye twitch over this one!















Awesome topic.....perhaps
I'm sure he'll have something to say
A Great Resource
But what I <cite>really</cite> want to know is
What the Hell are "tuna-flavoured castanets"?
hilarious
I am quite disappointed in
Don't worry, Carl
I have a feeling he'll be back.
But I wonder why he chose to take a vacation today, of all days?
not now
Further Reading
In the interests of helping you AGW cultists lighten up a bit, I offer "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism" by Christopher C. Horner.
It is described as "a provocative, entertaining, and well-documented expose of some of the most shamelessly politicized pseudo-science we are likely to see in our relatively cool lifetimes."
Wow, talk about a concise summary of the AGW industry!
Thanks, John
Being a dour, misanthropic environmentalist, I'd love to read your book, John. Problem is, it costs money, and I'm a dour, misanthropic environmentalist.
Since I know you're not just a shill for another money-grubbing, attention-seeking author, maybe you'd care to:
1) Summarize and index his arguments.
2) See if they haven't already been addressed in the free resource linked to above.
3) Explain and defend, in detail, any issues the NS article fails to address.
I'd love to take your word on this book, but that would be dogmatic.
Or maybe you're right? I should lighten up. Disregard all those boring facts and dreary science, and just get my opinions from charismatic soothsayers.
Laughable
You mean the same Chris Horner that works as legal Counsel for the Competitive Enterprise Institute?? Even ExxonMobil doesn't take the CEI serious any more.
Seriously, John you should take your act on the road, it's hilarious! New Scientist, CEI, New Scientist, CEI… hmmmm…..
"New Scientist"? WTF . If
the global warming swindle
Desperation?
Hey, Eco-Goebbels ...
Here's a question for your question: why are you so desperate to avoid open debate?
Every time we post a new piece of information that ties AGW denial to the energy industry - or debunks it altogether - you don't address the issue or defend your views; you start talking about Al Gore's air-con bill or his debating schedule.
Have you nothing relevant to add to the discussion?
same old, same old
By the way, let us know when you post any of this “information” which actually succeeds in “debunking” anything. Any fool can see what you actually post consists of nothing more than innuendo and smear campaigns. So, if I were you, I’d leave off on the backslapping and high-fives for now.
Troll Tactics...
"much loved" Global Warming
You really don't know diddly
You really don't know diddly squat about the science of climate change, do you ZOG. I'm getting tired of your ignorance as well as the ignorance of Eco-H***** and John Dowell. If you have nothing to say which actually challenges the science (i.e. if you continue to echo the PR campaign of the Fraser Institute, CEI, AEI, and those Cooler Heads Coalition loonies), just stop. You're doing nobody any good and you're just wasting our time.
Spoken like a true cultist
Is this your normal behaviour?
Zog, is this how you conduct yourself on a normal day to day basis? Or do you reserve your juvenile rantings for people who have shown that your knowledge of what is going on in the world is sadly lacking? By your disgusting analogies you are showing yourself to be a very disturbed person.
Do you act this way round co-workers and neighbours? You have very serious problems in your ability to interact with your fellow man.
Ian Forrester
Truth hurts doesn't it,
ZOG, your folk whine and
ZOG, your folk whine and complain about ad-homs, yet what do you do? You call people names. Talk about pot calling the kettle black, though rarely do those who understand climate science and AGW resort to such tactics while you denier folk do this all the time.
Go read the IPCC report before you blab on. Maybe something you say will actually ring true someday (though I doubt it).
I read the third one (some
I read the third one (some food for thought in it - like Asimov's stuff) and the summary (a real piece of shit) of the 4th one.
"Blowhard" is a pretty mild epithet compared to what I feel about Ian Forrester but, it is indeed an ad hom, so I apologize for besmirching this scholarly and thoughtful site with it.
Amazing...
I never thought I'd live to see the day...after hundreds of comments, ZOG finally decides to lay off the namecalling (for a paragraph anyway) and finally issues something that resembles an analysis of the topic (sort of) at hand--global warming theory, via IPCC:
"some food for thought in it - like Asimov's stuff"
"a real piece of shit"
Small steps, but this is wonderful...maybe for lesson 2 you could supply facts or reasoning to explan those statements?
To help you out with this "discussion" thing, let me provide you wiith a example. Observe the following statement:
"ZOG is a real piece of shit."
Now. Is such an assertion sufficient to demonstrate its veracity, or plausability? Or would something else be required?
Think about it...don't worry...you'll getting there...
Ah yes, the brilliant and
Ah yes, the brilliant and scholarly repartee of a certified fanatic. The more I see of that sort of commentary, the more I realize that AGW fanaticism goes well beyond the bounds of intolerant theology and is out and out pathology. You are very sick people - except for Hoggan's harlots who write their drivel for cold, hard cash and therefore have a rational,albeit hardly admirable, motive.
Speaking of sick people, I see that the misanthropic "humanity stinks" crowd of the 1970s (Erlich, Lovins et.al.) have eagerly jumped onto the AGW bandwagon. That figures. Earth would be such a lovely place without all those nasty, farting, burping, energy using people on it, eh?
Typo. That's Paul Ehrlich,
Zog, you are a bloody bore.
"lack of intellectual
"lack of intellectual integrity"
Tsk, tsk. I'm bleeding profusely.
Who are those good, intelligent people? Ehrlich? (He really does fit well into your theological boat with his blind hatered for human society.)
Hogan's heros? Hey, everybody has to make a living, and I doubt that, in the big scheme of things, they are doing serious harm. They are skillful and entertaining, or I wouldn't persist in visiting this site to see what hokum they are selling.
You? Your posts are generally short and not nearly as boorish and intemperate as those of knuckle-dragging Ian. I wouldn't dream of smearing you.
Yawn.
I see
It was an insult not an "ad hom"
'"Blowhard" is a pretty mild epithet compared to what I feel about Ian Forrester but, it is indeed an ad hom'.
Zog, not only do you not understand anything about climate science but your understanding of the use of the term "ad hominem" is also sadly lacking.
If you had said "Ian Forrester is a blowhard therefore everything he says is wrong", that would have been an ad hom attack. What you said is merely insulting.
Ian Forrester
talk by Matt Nisbet and Chris Mooney
Matt Nisbet and Chris Mooney, both of whom we have discussed on Desmogblog, spoke at the recent national meeting of the AIBS (American Institute of Biological Sciences). The talk will go on-line soon.
Here is a link to a blog discussing the Matt Nisbet and Chris Mooney presentations: http://scienceblogs.com/speakingscience/2007/05/our_aibs_talk_and_going_carbon.php#more
AIBS publishes Bioscience, a science magazine that has presented many excellent reviews and summaries of climate change impacts, for example, refer to the Bioscience articles on the site of the “US National Assessment of the Potential Consequences of Climate Variability and Change Sector: Forests”:
http://www.usgcrp.gov/usgcrp/nacc/forests/default.htm
Dan Johnson
ocean-air interaction
May 10, 2007
CLIMATE SWINGS HAVE BROUGHT GREAT CARBON DIOXIDE PULSES UP FROM THE DEEP SEA
HUMAN EMISSIONS TOO SMALL
Hocky Stick
ROCONNELL, your above two
ROCONNELL, your above two posts are so chock full of idiocy that I will not respond to them before you actually read the IPCC report.
The aforementioned IPCC is not comprised of politicians, but of 2500 of the world's foremost scientists. Anyone who thinks that the IPCC is a political organisation must have their heads examined.
Your misinformed Mr. Berg
That is full of BS. I
That is full of BS. I recognised the names of at least a half-dozen climatologists in the author lists of WGII and WGIII who have had articles on climate change pass peer-review, including Canada's own Dr. Gordon McBean. ROCONNELL, you're either a fool, ignorant of the facts, or a blatant liar.
Also, in response to this crap: 'If it presupposes that climate change is “human induced” how can it possibly be “objective”.', the current warming IS caused by human activities. No scientific organisation worldwide which studies, even in part, climate science has disputed this. Anyone who claims the current warming is not the result of human activities is a fool, a liar, or completely ignorant of the facts.
That is full of BS
"I would say a consensus of
"I would say a consensus of climate scientists takes this position, that in the last 150 years it’s gotten ‘hotter’. Now the next question is why. Climate scientists are close to evenly split here."
This is a complete lie. Evidence of a consensus is in Naomi Oreskes' 2004 article which surveyed 928 peer-reviewed articles on climate change. Oreskes' findings were that ZERO articles on climate change claimed that there was no current warming and that few climate scientists disagree with the overwhelming consensus that the warming is primarily the result of human activities.
See here:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686
And if you feel like you need to bring up Benny Peiser, it has been widely refuted:
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/11/14/1511/4868
So much BS in such a short article
Roconnell said: "But even among the 50% or so of the climate experts that believe this".
If what you say is true (and I very much doubt it), there must be 50% of climate scientists who do not believe it. Who are these scientists and where are their papers? Don't include any of the 60 mentioned on this blog since it has been well established that they are either not climate scientists or they are dishonest (or both).
There should be thousands of papers in the scientific literature refuting AGW so where are they?
If you were to be honest you would have to say that these papers do not exist. So what you are saying is just utter BS as Stephen Berg has already told you.
By the way is roconnell the same as oconnellc who is spreading similar BS over at deltoid? If all you can do is repat the rubbish you read over at climate fraudit then please save your time and energy because it won't be read by anyone with any knowledge of science and the scientific method.
Ian Forrester
So much BS
Dennis Bray's survey seems
Dennis Bray's survey seems likely to have been answered by climate sceptics and other non-scientists: as discussed here. So his survey is useless.
Link came from comment #74 at this RealClimate post.
Before you criticize AGW read some real papers
You seem to be unable to understand the difference between sound science papers and rubbish put out and cheered on by the right wing nuts. If you do a check on Habibullo I. Abdussamato you will find that his work is not believed by the vast majority of scientists. He is one of the "blame the sun" group. Highly respected solar scientists just cannot believe his research.
Of course you will now say that I only believe scientific papers which support AGW. Well I have not found any credible papers by anyone offering an opposite viewpoint. The vast majority of papers (probably greater than 99%) support AGW, not the 50% as you would like to believe.
Comming up with a list of 6 or 7 is completely meaningless when you think of the tens of thousands which have been published in the area.
Ian Forrester
Abdussamato
"There you go again Mr
Read science journals
Abdussamtov is a solar scientist not a climate scientist. He has not published one paper on how climate is effected by things happening on the sun's surface. He claims that solar irradiaon has increased. Check the facts, it has not increased over the past 20 plus years. Sure, someone published a graph showing a correlation between temperature and solar irradation. However the data were cherry-picked and did not show the latest 25 years of data when the temperature increased and solar irradiation decreased.
People who use scientists like Abdussamtov and Jaworowski to bolster their AGW denying tactics are only showing how out of touch they are with the scientific literature. Read the science papers not the right wing blog sites who distort the science for their own greedy ends.
Ian Forrester
Read Science Journals
It's honesty we are talking about not politics
Roconnell said: "the scientists be left alone to do their work with out left or right political influence".
I have to agree with that but what you don't seem to understand is that the 60 or so "scientists" who are the main AGW deniers are not using science in their arguments but are guilty of distortions, cherry picking of data and in some cases downright lies in trying to make their case.
That is not how science operates. The 60 or so "scientists" have very few actual research papers to their credit and most of the few that have made it have a dubious history of getting accepted.
As I have told you before, go to the actual science papers and see for yourself (the IPCC reports are not research papers but are reviews of thousands of papers). You will be in for a shock as to how one sided this debate is.
There is no "50% split" as you would have us believe, it is much closer to 99% in support of AGW. Sure, some of the details still have to be sorted out but the big picture is AGW is real and will do untold damage if something is not done to curb emissions of green house gases.
Ian Forrester