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New Scientist debunks the skeptic myths

Hi, New Scientist? Yes, I would like to order 300 million copies of your Climate Change: Guide for the perplexed. Yes, and please send about 200 copies to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20500.

New Scientist's upcoming issue will include what is by far the most comprehensive debunking of the global warming myths, continuously used by the small handful of so-called "experts" who say either: a) global warming isn't happening; (b) humans are not too blame, and anything in between.

Ever wondered about "medieval warming?" "The Little Ice Age?" "Cosmic Rays?" And of the other denier messages? Check out the New Scientist here, save them to the hard drive and get the message out.

Here's links to each thorough debunking:

Human CO2 emissions are too tiny to matter

We can't do anything about climate change

The 'hockey stick' graph has been proven wrong

Chaotic systems are not predictable

We can't trust computer models of climate

They predicted global cooling in the 1970s

It's been far warmer in the past, what's the big deal?

It's too cold where I live - warming will be great

Global warming is down to the Sun, not humans

It’s all down to cosmic rays

CO2 isn't the most important greenhouse gas

The lower atmosphere is cooling, not warming

Antarctica is getting cooler, not warmer, disproving global warming

The oceans are cooling

The cooling after 1940 shows CO2 does not cause warming

It was warmer during the Medieval period, with vineyards in England

We are simply recovering from the Little Ice Age

Warming will cause an ice age in Europe

Ice cores show CO2 increases lag behind temperature rises, disproving the link to global warming

Ice cores show CO2 rising as temperatures fell

Mars and Pluto are warming too

Many leading scientists question climate change

It's all a conspiracy

Hurricane Katrina was caused by global warming

Higher CO2 levels will boost plant growth and food production

Polar bear numbers are increasing

 

Would love to see Steve "the junkman" Milloy's eye twitch over this one!


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Awesome topic…..perhaps you could mail John Dowell a copy as well, he is in real need of it. He continues to buy into these mythic arguements.
In our comment section soon enough.
Add it to the pile of other stuff the denialists will never read.

What the Hell are "tuna-flavoured castanets"?

I kept thinking the same thing while I was writing the post!
I am quite disappointed in John, no drivel about how AGW is a conspiracy or a religion (despite mountains of journal publications that John ignores and an excellent summary of said publications by the IPCC) and that this myth busting is an unscientific religion, promoted by liars, communist-fascists, fear mongers and whatnot that want to destroy the world’s economy and no doubt kill bamby. and…I am still waiting for his references from acedemic journals and not tim balls website that discount the role human induced surge of greenhouse gases in increasing Earth’s temperature.

I have a feeling he'll be back.

But I wonder why he chose to take a vacation today, of all days?

If we are still talking about denials of AGW, then we will not be addressing the reductions of fossil fuels emissions. This little seed of doubt tend to obscure the need to reduce fossil fuels emissions. What I mean is, IT WORKS - denials do what they hope for - knocks us off track in solving global warming. So it is hopeless in the face of these denials to think we can make any difference in solving GWcc, especially at this late stage, and therefore I say lets put it all in “their hands” - any damage in the future that comes from global warming and climate change/extreme weather as caused by fossil fuels emissions [that can be proven in the future], will be compensated by these same deniers and the oil companies that pay them. If there is no danger, then go ahead sign your name to a document that puts your money where your mouth is. No? You are not so sure? Okthen, shut up. Rhetoric: If they were paid by oil companies, where is ther credibility? What non-aligned scientist is denying AGW - NONE!!!! But here we are, you keep tossing the deniers some print space and there we go, here we are, screw this shit it is hopeless and it is your problem now asshole.

In the interests of helping you AGW cultists lighten up a bit, I offer "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism" by Christopher C. Horner.

It is described as "a provocative, entertaining, and well-documented expose of some of the most shamelessly politicized pseudo-science we are likely to see in our relatively cool lifetimes."

Wow, talk about a concise summary of the AGW industry!

Being a dour, misanthropic environmentalist, I'd love to read your book, John. Problem is, it costs money, and I'm a dour, misanthropic environmentalist.

Since I know you're not just a shill for another money-grubbing, attention-seeking author, maybe you'd care to:

1) Summarize and index his arguments.

2) See if they haven't already been addressed in the free resource linked to above.

3) Explain and defend, in detail, any issues the NS article fails to address.

I'd love to take your word on this book, but that would be dogmatic.

Or maybe you're right? I should lighten up. Disregard all those boring facts and dreary science, and just get my opinions from charismatic soothsayers.

You mean the same Chris Horner that works as legal Counsel for the Competitive Enterprise Institute?? Even ExxonMobil doesn't take the CEI serious any more.

 

Seriously, John you should take your act on the road, it's hilarious! New Scientist, CEI, New Scientist, CEI… hmmmm…..

New Scientist”? WTF . If this is the best you can come up with as an authoritative publication, your gullibility problem is greater than I thought. How about equally reliable journals such as Popular Mechanics, Mechanics Illustrated and Cosmopolitan? Heaven help us.
Oh but your much loved Great Global Warming Swindle mock u mentary relied heavily on the former editor of New Scientist magazine - if I remember correctly he was the editor in 1964. Seriously, the desperation of your arguments is bordering on lunacy.
Speaking of “desperation” — why is Al Gore so desperate to avoid an open debate on his assertions?

Here's a question for your question: why are you so desperate to avoid open debate?

Every time we post a new piece of information that ties AGW denial to the energy industry - or debunks it altogether - you don't address the issue or defend your views; you start talking about Al Gore's air-con bill or his debating schedule.

Have you nothing relevant to add to the discussion?

Still avoiding the debate, eh?

By the way, let us know when you post any of this “information” which actually succeeds in “debunking” anything. Any fool can see what you actually post consists of nothing more than innuendo and smear campaigns. So, if I were you, I’d leave off on the backslapping and high-fives for now.
Looks like EcoGoebbels and ZOG have conveniently forgotten to discuss the topic at hand. I wonder why…
much loved” Global Warming Swindle? I don’t recall saying that I loved it - I don’t “love” sensational presentations in any guise. I have said that Swindle is much more credible than Gore’s even more sensationalist bullshit. (Damning with faint praise I guess). And I do think that, when Inconvenient Bullshit is foisted upon captive school children as “science” it should be accompanied by an antidote such as Swindle or Climate Catastrophe Cancelled. Better yet, politicized science should be kept out of the classroom entirely and moonbat teachers should swallow their goofy predjudices and try to stick to science.

You really don't know diddly squat about the science of climate change, do you ZOG. I'm getting tired of your ignorance as well as the ignorance of Eco-H***** and John Dowell. If you have nothing to say which actually challenges the science (i.e. if you continue to echo the PR campaign of the Fraser Institute, CEI, AEI, and those Cooler Heads Coalition loonies), just stop. You're doing nobody any good and you're just wasting our time.

Spoken like a true cultist Stephen. Since you have the keys to all truth, knowledge and virtue, anyone who disagrees with you is clearly ignorant and probably subversive as well. It is that infantilism that makes your loyalty to the “cause” most noxious. Rev. Jim Jones and Jim Bakker were masters of the same technique, with great success but, where are they now?

Zog, is this how you conduct yourself on a normal day to day basis? Or do you reserve your juvenile rantings for people who have shown that your knowledge of what is going on in the world is sadly lacking? By your disgusting analogies you are showing yourself to be a very disturbed person.

Do you act this way round co-workers and neighbours? You have very serious problems in your ability to interact with your fellow man.

Ian Forrester

Truth hurts doesn’t it, blowhard?

ZOG, your folk whine and complain about ad-homs, yet what do you do? You call people names. Talk about pot calling the kettle black, though rarely do those who understand climate science and AGW resort to such tactics while you denier folk do this all the time.

Go read the IPCC report before you blab on. Maybe something you say will actually ring true someday (though I doubt it).

I read the third one (some food for thought in it - like Asimov's stuff) and the summary (a real piece of shit) of the 4th one.

"Blowhard" is a pretty mild epithet compared to what I feel about Ian Forrester but, it is indeed an ad hom, so I apologize for besmirching this scholarly and thoughtful site with it.

I never thought I'd live to see the day...after hundreds of comments, ZOG finally decides to lay off the namecalling (for a paragraph anyway) and finally issues something that resembles an analysis of the topic (sort of) at hand--global warming theory, via IPCC:

"some food for thought in it - like Asimov's stuff"
"a real piece of shit"

Small steps, but this is wonderful...maybe for lesson 2 you could supply facts or reasoning to explan those statements?

To help you out with this "discussion" thing, let me provide you wiith a example. Observe the following statement:

"ZOG is a real piece of shit."

Now. Is such an assertion sufficient to demonstrate its veracity, or plausability? Or would something else be required?

Think about it...don't worry...you'll getting there...

Ah yes, the brilliant and scholarly repartee of a certified fanatic. The more I see of that sort of commentary, the more I realize that AGW fanaticism goes well beyond the bounds of intolerant theology and is out and out pathology. You are very sick people - except for Hoggan's harlots who write their drivel for cold, hard cash and therefore have a rational,albeit hardly admirable, motive.

Speaking of sick people, I see that the misanthropic "humanity stinks" crowd of the 1970s (Erlich, Lovins et.al.) have eagerly jumped onto the AGW bandwagon. That figures. Earth would be such a lovely place without all those nasty, farting, burping, energy using people on it, eh?

Typo. That’s Paul Ehrlich, in case you want to google your soul mate.
Zog, you are a bloody bore. Your vicious attempts at smearing good, intelligent people simply demonstrate your own envy and lack of intellectual integrity.

"lack of intellectual integrity"

Tsk, tsk. I'm bleeding profusely.

Who are those good, intelligent people? Ehrlich? (He really does fit well into your theological boat with his blind hatered for human society.)

Hogan's heros? Hey, everybody has to make a living, and I doubt that, in the big scheme of things, they are doing serious harm. They are skillful and entertaining, or I wouldn't persist in visiting this site to see what hokum they are selling.

You? Your posts are generally short and not nearly as boorish and intemperate as those of knuckle-dragging Ian. I wouldn't dream of smearing you.

Yawn.
So now we’re pathologizing those with whom we disagree.

'"Blowhard" is a pretty mild epithet compared to what I feel about Ian Forrester but, it is indeed an ad hom'.

Zog, not only do you not understand anything about climate science but your understanding of the use of the term "ad hominem" is also sadly lacking.

If you had said "Ian Forrester is a blowhard therefore everything he says is wrong", that would have been an ad hom attack. What you said is merely insulting.

Ian Forrester

News regarding a related talk, regarding science and the public:

Matt Nisbet and Chris Mooney, both of whom we have discussed on Desmogblog, spoke at the recent national meeting of the AIBS (American Institute of Biological Sciences). The talk will go on-line soon.

Here is a link to a blog discussing the Matt Nisbet and Chris Mooney presentations: http://scienceblogs.com/speakingscience/2007/05/our_aibs_talk_and_going_carbon.php#more

AIBS publishes Bioscience, a science magazine that has presented many excellent reviews and summaries of climate change impacts, for example, refer to the Bioscience articles on the site of the “US National Assessment of the Potential Consequences of Climate Variability and Change Sector: Forests”:

http://www.usgcrp.gov/usgcrp/nacc/forests/default.htm



Dan Johnson
Regarding the periodic release of CO2 from the ocean into the atmostphere, here is an interesting news summary of research dating ocean floor cores: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/MediaAlerts/2007/2007051024944.html

May 10, 2007

CLIMATE SWINGS HAVE BROUGHT GREAT CARBON DIOXIDE PULSES UP FROM THE DEEP SEA
I’ll start with your 1st link. There is no credable evadence that co2 levels have never been higher then they are now. The IPCC (a group that is made up of mostly politiciatons)cherry picked historical co2 level data to prove thier point. Here’s the graph of recent historical CO2 levels with the CO2 data circled that the IPCC used………….. http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/call2.jpg ………It’s pretty obvious that only the data that proved thier point was selected………. http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/ …….Further CO2 makes up only about 1% at most of the total atmospheric greehouse gasses.. water vapor is makes up close to 98%. It’s a stretch to say that by changing the total greenhouse gas quanity in the atmospheric by less then .3% with out taking into account the changes in water vapor we’re changing the climate. I say these because
The New Science article has misrepresented what our own National Academy says about recent temperature trends….Here’s the exact quote ……….. “with a high level of confidence, that global mean surface temperature was higher during the last few decades of the 20th century than during any comparable period during the preceding four centuries. Less confidence can be placed in large-scale surface temperature reconstructions for the period from A.D. 900 to 1600, although available proxy evidence indicates that temperatures at many, but not all, individual locations were higher during the past 25 years than during any period of comparable length since A.D. 900. Very little confidence can be assigned to statements concerning the hemispheric mean or global mean surface temperature prior to about A.D. 900, primarily because of the scarcity of precisely dated proxy evidence.” …………That statement doesn’t sound very confident to me unless you’re talking about the last 25 years. I read that as we don’t have any good data we have any level of confineance in over 400 years. If you like I’ll send links to the many papers that have been done of recent where as the climatoligists are still trying to figure how best to measure the average global temp TODAY, much less 200 years ago..

ROCONNELL, your above two posts are so chock full of idiocy that I will not respond to them before you actually read the IPCC report.

The aforementioned IPCC is not comprised of politicians, but of 2500 of the world's foremost scientists. Anyone who thinks that the IPCC is a political organisation must have their heads examined.

Your misinformed Mr. Berg I realize that those that get all their information solely from the press might think that The IPCC is a non political group made of the worlds leading climate scientists, but thats far from the case. The IPCC has 4 working groups. Group 1 is the only group that studies the scientific aspects of climate change. Groups 2 through 4 study/report on the socio-economic consequences of human induced global warming. In layman’s terms groups 2 through 4 assume group 1 is correct and report on how to cure human induced global warming. So the only Group that has studied whether or not man is to blame for the raise in global avg. temperatures over the last 25 years is Group 1. So Group 1 is the only one that counts… Now if you go to The IPCC website you’ll find this list of authors to the Group 1 report http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/docs/wg1_AuthorList_2005-11-03.pdf Take the time to count them…you’ll find 173 names, now to be completely fair to you, besides these 173 names there are another 400 or so that were contributors to the report in some way, but you have to be careful if you want to count them because some of these contributors sent in research but in fact are what you might want to define as “Deniers”. You’ll find all this on the IPCC website. Secondly, as follows is a brochure from the IPCC http://www.ipcc.ch/about/anniversarybrochure.pdf On Page 2 you’ll find the IPCC Mission statement..here’s what it says “The role of the IPCC is to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation.” What’s wrong with that mission statement? I’ll tell you; it presupposes that climate change is “human induced”. If it presupposes that climate change is “human induced” how can it possibly be “objective”. If the mission statement left out the words “human-induced”, then and only then could they claim “objective, open and transparent” And by the way Mr. Berg, although I have the full IPCC report, your right I haven’t read it cover to cover but I have read parts of it and the summary’s compiled by the IPCC. I also note that besides calling me names you haven’t noted any information to support your case nor did you respond to my main argument that our own National Academy of Sciences says about historical climate data. I do think it’s possible to carry out a debate about this subject without name calling and supporting your arguments.

That is full of BS. I recognised the names of at least a half-dozen climatologists in the author lists of WGII and WGIII who have had articles on climate change pass peer-review, including Canada's own Dr. Gordon McBean. ROCONNELL, you're either a fool, ignorant of the facts, or a blatant liar.

Also, in response to this crap: 'If it presupposes that climate change is “human induced” how can it possibly be “objective”.', the current warming IS caused by human activities. No scientific organisation worldwide which studies, even in part, climate science has disputed this. Anyone who claims the current warming is not the result of human activities is a fool, a liar, or completely ignorant of the facts.

There you go again Mr Berg, if you have no argument call them names. I don’t believe you have a real grasp of how the science works Mr Berg. I’ve never stated that the scientists that compiled any of the IPCC reports were not credible researchers. There are two questions at hand to science, the 1st is ‘Has the climate been changing” and second is ‘if it has been changing, why?” There is very good evidence that over the last 25 to 30 years it’s been getting ”hotter”, there is a good body of evidence that since about 1850 it’s been getting hotter. Beyond that it begins to get really fuzzy. And I have pointed out to you previously our on National Academy of Sciences takes this position. I would say a consensus of climate scientists takes this position, that in the last 150 years it’s gotten ‘hotter’. Now the next question is why. Climate scientists are close to evenly split here. In fact many of the contributing climate scientists that worked on the IPCC report are in that group that do not think ‘man’ is to blame for the current climate change. In case you don’t understand how the IPCC process works, here’s how it works. A UN committee of politicians picks which scientists can contribute. The IPCC contributors HAVE to be a member of the WMO, which is a UN funded group of climatologists. Nothing wrong with that except, it seems that the jury is rigged to begin with, if your going to limit who can participate. Anyway, a group of these WMO members are chosen to write their scientific theory and research the subject at hand. They issue a report. The most resent report was issued in late January. But here’s where the politicians come in, the report issued by the climate scientists is secrete. It is reviewed and edited by that same group of politicians that picked the contributors in the 1st place. So what you have read is not the report prepared by the climate scientists, but a fully edited report by politicians. Here’s the system from the IPCC website of how the system works. http://www.ipcc.ch/about/faq/IPCC%20Procedures.pdf Now I noticed in your post that you did not dispute the actual number of contributors to the report so I gather you have now learned the truth. There is no doubt that the contributing scientist’s to the IPCC reports are anything but honest and credible but what I don’t think you understand that in science very few things are absolute. There are is indeed a very large body of evidence that man might/may be to blame is some part for the current climate changes, But even among the 50% or so of the climate experts that believe this, there is general disagreement as to whether the cause is CO2, methane, or even carbon soot and to what degree. There is some excellent science being done on this subject and we as the general public should keep the rhetoric down and keep the politicians out of it till more is understood.

"I would say a consensus of climate scientists takes this position, that in the last 150 years it’s gotten ‘hotter’. Now the next question is why. Climate scientists are close to evenly split here."

This is a complete lie. Evidence of a consensus is in Naomi Oreskes' 2004 article which surveyed 928 peer-reviewed articles on climate change. Oreskes' findings were that ZERO articles on climate change claimed that there was no current warming and that few climate scientists disagree with the overwhelming consensus that the warming is primarily the result of human activities.

See here:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

And if you feel like you need to bring up Benny Peiser, it has been widely refuted:

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/11/14/1511/4868

Roconnell said: "But even among the 50% or so of the climate experts that believe this".

If what you say is true (and I very much doubt it), there must be 50% of climate scientists who do not believe it. Who are these scientists and where are their papers? Don't include any of the 60 mentioned on this blog since it has been well established that they are either not climate scientists or they are dishonest (or both).

There should be thousands of papers in the scientific literature refuting AGW so where are they?

If you were to be honest you would have to say that these papers do not exist. So what you are saying is just utter BS as Stephen Berg has already told you.

By the way is roconnell the same as oconnellc who is spreading similar BS over at deltoid? If all you can do is repat the rubbish you read over at climate fraudit then please save your time and energy because it won't be read by anyone with any knowledge of science and the scientific method.

Ian Forrester

Mr Forrester I would suggest that you do a little of your own research instead of relying on internet blog sites. Here is a paper published in scintfic journals. This is only the abrstract to the paper but I believe it summerizes his finding very well. What I have found and I think you would agree is that this issue is so hot politcaly that it’s hard to find credable information in the press or open web. What I have been doing for the last two years is to do searchs of ‘published’ work that can be reviewed a critiqued by the writers peers. Thats the way true scince works. My own thoughts are that there is a very good chance that our current global warming is being influenced by ‘man’to some degree whether 1% or 90%, but I am very skeptical at what is being advertised as the root cause soley because I don’t believe the scince is done. http://w3g.gkss.de/G/Mitarbeiter/bray.html/BrayGKSSsite/BrayGKSS/WedPDFs… And by the way DR Bray has had this work published by the American Meteorological Society. Further I found 5 or 6 possative citations of his work in other scintific published works but none negative. And lastly if you like I’ll start sending abstracts of papers that due indeed critique the so called “consensus” Here’s one for a start http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid… cheers

Dennis Bray's survey seems likely to have been answered by climate sceptics and other non-scientists: as discussed here. So his survey is useless.

Link came from comment #74 at this RealClimate post.

You seem to be unable to understand the difference between sound science papers and rubbish put out and cheered on by the right wing nuts. If you do a check on Habibullo I. Abdussamato you will find that his work is not believed by the vast majority of scientists. He is one of the "blame the sun" group. Highly respected solar scientists just cannot believe his research.

Of course you will now say that I only believe scientific papers which support AGW. Well I have not found any credible papers by anyone offering an opposite viewpoint. The vast majority of papers (probably greater than 99%) support AGW, not the 50% as you would like to believe.

Comming up with a list of 6 or 7 is completely meaningless when you think of the tens of thousands which have been published in the area.

Ian Forrester

There you go again Mr Forrester, your letting your politics cloud your reasoning I wouldn’t have listed one of his papers unless he wasn’t very well respected in his field. The man has been published in 40 or so papers. So I’d like to see your list of “highly respected solar scientists that can’t believe his work”. Oh and here is what google list of some of his work http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&lr=&q=%22author%3Ah+author%3Aabd…
There you go again Mr Forrester, your letting your politics cloud your reasoning I wouldn’t have listed one of his papers unless he wasn’t very well respected in his field.” Your own powers of reasoning are questionable. You say Abdusamutov is respected in his field? Prove it, or are you letting politics cloud your reasoning?

Abdussamtov is a solar scientist not a climate scientist. He has not published one paper on how climate is effected by things happening on the sun's surface. He claims that solar irradiaon has increased. Check the facts, it has not increased over the past 20 plus years. Sure, someone published a graph showing a correlation between temperature and solar irradation. However the data were cherry-picked and did not show the latest 25 years of data when the temperature increased and solar irradiation decreased.

People who use scientists like Abdussamtov and Jaworowski to bolster their AGW denying tactics are only showing how out of touch they are with the scientific literature. Read the science papers not the right wing blog sites who distort the science for their own greedy ends.

Ian Forrester

Mr. Forrester You may want to bad mouth one scientist or the other but I certainly am not. I could not help but notice that in this blog that those 60 scientists from Canada that used to be part of that so called consensus, who are now claiming some doubts, are now not credible in the eye’s of this blog. What I have been asking for (see my last comments to Mr Berg) is that the scientists be left alone to do their work with out left or right political influence. Do you not think that is the way it should be done? As for solar let me point something out to you that you are probably not aware of. The IPCC in it’s own words and documents states that they have only a poor level of understanding of solar, black carbon (sot), and aerosols influences on climate change. Further they will tell you that the strongest weather patterns at the poles, the Antarctic and Artic vortex are poorly understood, they will further tell you that they struggle to get a grasp on the most prominent greenhouse in the atmosphere (95%), water vapor because it is so inconsistently distributed. Here it is from NOAA and the IPCC http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/research/themes/forcing/img/fig1.gif http://www.ipcc.ch/present/graphics/2001syr/large/06.01.jpg So I ask you to explain, that if the IPCC group has so little understanding of the dynamics of the atmosphere, how can it be that they are so sure that it’s CO2 thats our major problem and lets sot. Just so you don’t miss anything read very carefully what it says very carefully at the bottom of thoes two NOAA and IPCC charts and digest what it says about their levels of understanding on some of the most basic influences on our climate. And lastly, as I have stated before I do not get my information from Right or Left wing blogs. Only what I find in scholarly papers. I have found that relying on either only provides misleading information. You’ll note that all of the links I’ve provided, are only from scientists themselves, not Wikipedia or right or left wing blogs. And lastly, what am I doing wrong in these posts, that I can’t seem to paragraphs to work.

Roconnell said: "the scientists be left alone to do their work with out left or right political influence".

I have to agree with that but what you don't seem to understand is that the 60 or so "scientists" who are the main AGW deniers are not using science in their arguments but are guilty of distortions, cherry picking of data and in some cases downright lies in trying to make their case.

That is not how science operates. The 60 or so "scientists" have very few actual research papers to their credit and most of the few that have made it have a dubious history of getting accepted.

As I have told you before, go to the actual science papers and see for yourself (the IPCC reports are not research papers but are reviews of thousands of papers). You will be in for a shock as to how one sided this debate is.

There is no "50% split" as you would have us believe, it is much closer to 99% in support of AGW. Sure, some of the details still have to be sorted out but the big picture is AGW is real and will do untold damage if something is not done to curb emissions of green house gases.

Ian Forrester

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