And the sceptics are right in this sense: that in this day of NGO and “civil society” politics, arguments drawn from the heyday of the nation state and liberal parliamentarianism are futile.

The result of all this argument over funding and sponsorship is a diversive dogfight which serves to distract attention from the reality that the “sceptics’” “solution” to climate change, large-scale environmentally disastrous engineering, is proceeding apace, and according to all the circumstantial evidence has probably been in very large scale application for more than a few years now.

To the extent that this is the case, the climate change awareness movement that ignores this is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Suggestions that Timothy Ball is complicit in bribing journalists are not going to shut him up. They will only make him more determined to continue doing what he is doing, Is this the point of these jibes doubtless unthinkingly reproduced by Ian Forrester?

Nor can the behaviour of journalists be changed by making such unsubstantiated claims.

I have managed to get Timothy Ball on the defensive

J I K, if these two videos were presented as part of a course curiculum in applied science Gore's would get at least a B+ where as the one by FOS (assuming it contains the same pseudo-science as on their web page) would get a failing grade.