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has too often disintegrated into an argument over whether the world's climate is, indeed, changing, and too seldom featured an informed discussion over what the world's great powers should be doing about it. This is a huge credit to those interest groups that have attacked the science behind climate change. Fashioning themselves "scientific skeptics," these well-funded advocates have struck a righteous pose as debunkers - as guardians against the environmental Chicken Littles who have noticed that the sky, if not falling, is moving around in an unsettling way. They are not using science; they're using a toxic concoction of public relations stunts. These are not debunkers, testing outrageous claims with scientific rigor. They are deniers, shouting against a truth that they find economically unpalatable. They are not using science; they're using a toxic concoction of public relations stunts of which any good PR professional should be ashamed. But don't take our word for it. Check out the best sites. Here's a list of choices, beginning with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change - unquestionably the most reputable selection of real climate scientists in the world. The first group lays out the case for caution. The second group would throw caution to the warming wind. Read with interest and always consider motive. Ask yourself two questions:
And if you have difficulty making the link between the deniers and the oil companies, see www.sourcewatch.org. Three sites we believe:
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You wrote, "[w]hat is characterized as "the climate change debate" has too often disintegrated into an argument over whether the world's climate is, indeed, changing, and too seldom featured an informed discussion over what the world's great powers should be doing about it."
Of course, that's the whole point: we'd better be sure whether it's getting hotter or colder or staying the same or it's our fault or sun spots or whatever before we attempt doing something about it. Until these issues are settled, squabbling over other things is rather pointless.
This is my layman's argument against Global Warming (not that I don't have a good technical one, I'll be glad to give you that too.): You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand this; and you already have all the information you need to see this right now:
If we were in a period of global warming, each day on the weather report when they say, "the high for this day was 87 and that was back in 1931." You would consistently see recent years come up in these records. Well, wouldn't you? Come on, admit it. You know you would; but you don't. I dare you to pull up the local weather screen right now and check it out. Go ahead, you're confident of your experts. Check out yesterday while you're at it.
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http://www.desmogblog.com/crichton-and-stossell-rounding-out-the-skeptics-conference
Just look at the data. Don't be afraid of it. Maybe somebody on this blog will actually check to see that the numbers can be traced all the way back to the original source. I don't hide behind pomp and bluster and incomprehensible equations or correction factors or anything else that you can't get at in order to hold me accountable. That's the difference between me and these experts you trust. Ask them for their data and see what response you get.
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Submitted by dudley (not verified) on Wed, 2006-06-21 09:01.
I'm right there with you when it comes to rooting out conflicts of interest and bogus claims. Of course, this has nothing to do with the evaluation of actual measured climate data, as opposed to conjecture and speculative model forecasts. I insist on hard evidence, not a vote among the most popular scientists of the day. I'm interested in facts, not opinion.
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While I'm disappointed that you limit yourself to questioning the motives rather than the science of the people who don't agree with you, I'm quite encouraged by the fact that you haven't deleted my comments from your blog!
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Submitted by high school dropout (not verified) on Sat, 2006-08-05 10:45.
"Weather" is what is happening outside the window yesterday, today, or next week. When weather scientists attempt to predict the weather next week, they are using entirely different methods from when climate scientists are attempting to analyze climate.
Weather people study clouds, rainfall, wind -data from last week. Climate people study, for example, ice core samples two miles deep under the antartic ice shelf -things which will tell them what happened 100,000 years ago.
My explaination would be more clear if I could remember the proper name for each of those specialities, because they are two completely different breeds of scientists studying completely different things using completely different tools for completely different purposes.
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I notice you haven't responded with any peer-reviewed research supporting your claim, why is that I wonder?
It's time to accept that climate change is happening, and move on to decide what to do about it. If these oil barons don't get off their high horse pretty soon, they might find an angry horde at their door with pitchforks. Literally. Don't mess with somebody who has nothing to lose.
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If you are suggesting that global warming is not occurring based on whether it's hotter today than 20 years ago, I think you should seek out other evidence. And I for one would be interested in your 'technical' reason why global warming doesn't exist. What is your data, what research have you conducted, for what period of time, what was your method, who conducted it, etc. etc.
There are scientists who have spent years of their lives researching climate change and are much more qualified to give technical data than some yoyo on a blog. Numerous books exist which detail unbiased research and data collected on climate change. Everyone is entitled to their opionion, but I would look very critically at any scientist who claims that global warming is not occurring.
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2006-09-01 10:50.
Why would 2,000 of the world's top academics and meteorologists cook up a climate conspiracy?
Why would thousands of the world's top academic and meteorologists deny global warming?
According to your logic, they are in the back pocket of the oil companies. It is more likely those on the side of global warming are benefitting from govt. grants to study climate change, which would abruptly cease if a crisis wasn't said to be looming.
If an unknown cosmic force randomly created life that evolved intelligence capable of destroying the entire planet, maybe it knew what it was doing all along?
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They didn't and they don't.
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Submitted by Ezra (not verified) on Wed, 2006-10-04 10:42.
Hey Jim, your link to sourcewatch.org goes to sourcewatch.com, which is very different! Please fix! This is an important organization!
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