Loopy Larouchians on the "Copenhagen scandal"

Another day; another wacky denier website

The Schiller Institute, a project of the failed politician (and spouse of Lyndon Larouche) Helga Zepp-Larouche, has launched a new website dedicated to denying climate change and attacking the Copenhagen climate conference.

Copenhagenscandal.org reads like a hastily (but expensively) assembled collection of denier tracts, including recent speeches from Christopher Monckton, the Third Viscount Monckton of Benchmark Crude, and the denier for hire, Dr. S. Fred Singer.

According to the website, and to a ponderous news advisory issued in Copenhagen, the 15th Conference of the Parties to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change has nothing to do with protecting the environment. It’s all a crafty plan to establish a world dictatorship.

If that makes no sense to you, reading the 1,700-word news advisory probably won’t help. And if it DOES make sense to you, you’ve probably read something exactly like it a hundred times before.

So, on the face of it, this is all crazy enough to be dismissed out of hand. But it is another indication of the money that is being spent on denial and the enthusiasm that has been engendered by the theft and distribution of the University of East Anglia emails.

That said, the attention being paid to this issue is, on one hand, drifting away as the assembled conference goers and the media turn their attention to the actual issues of the Copenhagen climate summit. On the other hand, the UNFCCC has announced a press conference Saturday entitled “THE SCIENTIFIC BASIS FOR A COPENHAGEN AGREEMENT,” to be hosted by IPCC Chair Dr. Rajendra Pachauri. It appears that he, at least, is still convinced that a rearguard action is necessary against the small, well-funded and resilient denier horde.


You caught on to me – I am going to take over the world using anthropogenic global warming. Then I will decree every man, woman or child must wear Ginger Slippers.

Ginger Lady you might not want us to wear ginger slippers but I bet you want to tell us what light bulbs we can and can’t use. And its unbelievable that you think those new screwy looking lightbulbs are so great. Sure, they last longer but nobody disposes of them properly. They go right into the regular trash, into a landfill where the bad stuff in them leaks out into the groundwater. Electric cars? Brilliant! We plugs them into the wall and this magic energy from behind the wall goes into the socket and voila! Oops! That electricity is gonna come from…THE COAL TROLLS OH NO! Pennsylvania is supposed to be one of the leading green states, what a freakin joke. Nobody composts around here

Hey JR,

You say: “On what grounds? In the name of equality – wealth redistribution via global socialism – with a dose of post-colonial reparations thrown in.”

Not sure if that needs to be the motive. You know as well as I do that socialism doesn’t work because it involves people, and some are greedy and some are altruistic (in a purely socialist situation everyone would behave altruistically for the common good). Hence it doesn’t work. Unless of course GM technology removed the greed bit!

But recall a bit of history. Wealth redistribution is something we Europeans have a lot of experience in. And Americans too. Going round the globe and claiming countries, screwing the living daylights out of their natural resources, for quite a time selling indigenous people as slaves, clearing their traditional agricultural and hunting areas for monoculture plantations, the list is endless, and we Westerners got rather rich via that route over 500 years or more. And we are still at it to this very day.

Maybe they want a bit of payback? That ain’t socialism. It’s simply a human desire for some form of justice….

I’ll try and drop in from time to time. This is an interesting site, and I think it’s important to engage with people who hold opposing views, even if we end up agreeing to differ!

All the best - John

But that can extend to anyone and every place on the planet. Such piliging occured throughout human history. To single out “Westerners” is unfair. One only need to look back through all human history to see such injustices. Hell, then get the Vatican to pay for all their injustices.

It is also grossly unfair to expect people living today to pay for the “sins” of their forefathers. That’s why the Middle East is in a never ending war. “Your grandfather killed my grandfather so I’m going to kill you.”

I’m not sure how to reply to that… weird stuff! (first para)

Second para - you are referring to the traditions of the thaa’r?

Maybe you will elaborate?

Over to you….. John

It’s simple. What moral right do the socialists have to force the people of the Western world pay for wrongs that took place in the past before they were even born? How far back into human history does one extend this premise to right past wrongs?

Of course. Man’s history is just about nothing but wrongs done to other people. No group/race/religion is exempt from that.

As for today, it still goes on with the same groups/races/religions. That’s why I don’t belong to any of those, well, hard to not belong to a race LOL. That will never change for the better, likely to change for the worse.

The last 60 years of relative peace and prosperity existed only because of cheap plentiful energy. Mitigation efforts for AGW will change that for the worse.


We have lived an extremely fortunate life.

Mitigation against AGW will not alter this. Peak Oil will.

(I should add that peak oil is not about oil running out - it will not. Rather, it means the rate of production being chronically incapable of keeping up with the rate of demand)

We have to move to other means of energy generation, particularly with reference to personal transport. And right now, we are in the Peak Oil zone.

All the best - John

John, you understand. I have for 10 years now. Your description of what peak oil is is correct. We are at peak oil now. I started action for our own future 5 years ago.

Mitigation efforts to curb CO2 will just make that situation worse. It will suck money from governments and people, and waste energy on ridiculous schemes like carbon capture and storage. (and make China the next super power)

Yes, we need to look at alternatives, but don’t expect alternatives to work as hyped. Most alternatives have a very low ERoEI, and our civilization is based on the degree of net energy. But you already know that don’t you.

I tend to subscribe to the notion that without oil the planet cannot feed 7 billion people. What will happen is anyone’s guess, but be assured punctuated equilibrium will rule the day.

I’ll let you in on a little secret of where I think things are heading: http://www.scribd.com/doc/19588031/Blinding-White-Flash

I don’t think that’s quite it. A plan for world domination is too specific, subject to too much opposition and so would be very unlikely to work. Various historical figures have tried it from Alexander the Great to Hitler. In the end - all their plans came to nothing.

This is different. You have MANY enviro voices wanting to save the Earth and you have MANY politicians seeing an opportunity to strengthen their individual places in history and it’s starting to come together.

Global Warming is a fascinating pretext for the transfer and exercise of political power. It is perhaps in it’s infancy now and somewhat like a wobbly toddler but once it finds it’s legs, power just may be centralized to the point where it could be described as a successful world domination by an identifiable group.


In the 1970s and early ’80s, having seized control of the U.N. apparatus (by power of numbers), Third World countries decided to cash in. OPEC was pulling off the greatest wealth transfer from rich to poor in history. Why not them? So in grand U.N. declarations and conferences, they began calling for a “New International Economic Order.” The NIEO’s essential demand was simple: to transfer fantastic chunks of wealth from the industrialized West to the Third World.

On what grounds? In the name of equality – wealth redistribution via global socialism – with a dose of post-colonial reparations thrown in.

The idea of essentially taxing hardworking citizens of the democracies to fill the treasuries of Third World kleptocracies went nowhere, thanks mainly to Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher (and the debt crisis of the early ’80s). They put a stake through the enterprise.

But such dreams never die. The raid on the Western treasuries is on again, but today with a new rationale to fit current ideological fashion. With socialism dead, the gigantic heist is now proposed as a sacred service of the newest religion: environmentalism.

One of the major goals of the Copenhagen climate summit is another NIEO shakedown: the transfer of hundreds of billions from the industrial West to the Third World to save the planet by, for example, planting green industries in the tristes tropiques

there’s more… read it

Larouche got on my s*** list long ago. I went by a table set up in an airport with magazines touting energy from hydrogen fusion. I was and am skeptical of that, but the zine was glossy and looked smartly written and I was bored.

So I reached for $3 to pay for it. I was asked to use my credit card. Said no, it was simpler to give cash. Request repeated and denied again. Leaving me vaguely suspicious.

I was also handed a free newsletter that was a Larouche screed.

Larouche went to jail for credit fraud. They took money from any account they got the numbers for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche#1988:_Criminal_conviction

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