Real 'Climategate' Scandal: UK Police Spent Measly $8,843 In Failed Attempt to Identify Criminal Hacker

Richard Black at the BBC points to the real 'Climategate' scandal that needs further investigation - why the UK police have done such an astonishly poor job investigating this criminal hacking, as evidenced by their tiny expenditures to date this year. From Climate Emails, Storm or Yawn?

I have it from a very good source that it absolutely was a hack, not a leak by a “concerned” UEA scientist, as has been claimed in some circles.
The Norfolk Police clearly see it as a criminal act too, a spokesman telling me that “the contents [of the new release] will be of interest to our investigation which is ongoing”.
Groups like UCS are, however, beginning to ask where that investigation has got to.
I have been passed information stemming from an FoI request to Norfolk Police showing that over the past 12 months, they have spent precisely £5,649.09 [US$8,843.64] on the investigation.
All of that was disbursed back in February; and all but £80.05 went on “invoices for work in the last six months”.
Of all the figures surrounding the current story, that is perhaps the one that most merits further interrogation.

Stay tuned for more information when Black writes further about his (real) investigation into the incompetent police effort to identify the thieves behind the East Anglia CRU hack.

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Given what has come out lately,I can see why the investigation went nowhere.Climategate has Rupert Murdoch’s oily fingerprints all over it  .a penchant for hacking,director of  large pieces of the climate change deniers echo chamber of lies .maybe 2 +2 doesn’t equal 4, but if it looks like a duck….

Why don’t they just dump the emails on Wikileaks?

I really want to know more about Mann’s wife. Oh, and perhaps we can graph when he’s coming home for dinner.

” I really want to know more about Mann’s wife. Oh, and perhaps we can graph when he’s coming home for dinner.



I hear he uses 3 ply toilet paper instead of 1 ply. Saving the world my arse, it’s an outrage I tells ya.


You gullible climate science deniers have long-since lost your political war against science, steve_c. You’re just making a fool of yourself.

Steven_C, except since the emails don’t reveal any fraud ,fakery ,forgery, why would someone leak them ? It’s a smear campaign ,and to miss that someone has to be thick as a post ,or pathological .

What the last batch revealed were hard working scientists being endlessly harassed by the deniers new standard,the insistence on sub-peer review,it aint science till every idiot at Barny’s Bar and Grill agree  it’s  science, until every half wit geek with all his back issues of  PC world and popular mechanics , scientist-wanna-be amateur hack is satisfied.

and the second batch shows more of then same,hardworking scientists being pestered by PESTS,not skeptics,but pathological clowns adverse  to logic ,incapable of escaping the prejudice born from congenital ” don’t get it-ness” .I am sure climate change deniers have a lot of difficulty in their personal lives from this inability,which is much like autism.

so basically you’re saying that the human race as a whole is sick and broken and foaming at the mouth and the brilliant scientists with all the answers just can’t get through to the savages. Well okay, I accept that premise. Brilliant scientists not quite brilliant enough to communicate to savages it seems. oh well.

“the brilliant scientists with all the answers just can’t get through to the savages.”

Is that what they are calling right wingers now? I can understand the metaphor, but really Rick, that’s a bit harsh. ;)


That is the score taking in the Murdoch ‘phone hacking and the CRU emails. Given the failure with the first (and I don’t bank on a good result from current investigations) why should we be surprised by the lack of results on Climategate.

Membership of Trump’s Scotland Golf club is probably a big incentive to not look so that you don’t find.


I’m not suprised they haven’t caught anyone.  Drive by a hot spot and hack away… drive by another hot spot and upload the data. If they were even remotely careful, there is no way the hackers would be caught.

I’ve actually had to do some computer forensics in a lead up to sueing some X employees.  Even knowing what I was looking for, it was hard to figure out.

They stole some documents from us, and deleted them from our hard drives. All of our hard drives. Many had been reformated just before they left.   But in a fit of stupidity, they did some work for their new company on our computers.  So I found our old files on a ratty old lab computer, in the deleted sectors.  Then I found new files with spiffy new company name on it in their files.

Deniers will simply roll out another set of emails from the same batch come COP18, COP19 etc etc ad nauseum. They will continue as long as they get mileage out of it. Even if it is extremely poor mileage, they see it as better than none at all.

Basically, they can start getting the art done now. Then start selling them a month before next year’s… no wait… start selling them now in anticipation.

2012 Hackers Reveal More of the Same Climategate Emails!

Put a big *yawn* on the back.

I’d buy it.

Perhaps the investigation is really being done by other kinds of investigators. 

In 2010, I asked the Norfolk Constabulary about the investigation, and this was their response in an email:

“This is a complex investigation and as a consequence will take some time to conclude. As with any investigation we will interview anyone who may have information which is of relevance to the enquiry but it would inappropriate to comment on any specific lines of enquiry.”

“Norfolk Constabulary continues its investigations into criminal offences in relation to a data breach at the University of East Anglia. During the enquiry officers have been working in liaison with the Office of the Information Commissioner and with officers from the National Domestic Extremism Team [See NETCU]. The UEA continues to co-operate with the enquiry; however, major investigations of this nature are of necessity very detailed and as a consequence can take time to reach a conclusion. It would be inappropriate to comment further at this stage.”

The NETCU has posted the following press release about its affiliated investigatory organization, the National Domestic Extremism Unit.

Date: 11 January 2010

Statement on UEA computer hacking investigation

The National Domestic Extremism Unit has been assisting Norfolk Constabulary with the investigation into the allegations of computer hacking at UEA, since it was launched in November 2009.

At present we have two police officers assisting Norfolk with their investigation, and we have also provided computer forensic expertise.

While this is not strictly a domestic extremism matter, as a national police unit, we had the expertise and resource to assist with this investigation, as well as good background knowledge of climate change issues, in relation to criminal investigations.

Here is a description of the police investigation that appeared in today’s guardian. It clarifies the money issue:

Norfolk Police confirmed on Wednesday that Operation Cabin, the two-year investigation into the original release of emails onto the internet in late 2009, is on-going and that the new release was “of interest” and will be considered by the investigation.

“This is an extremely unusual and complex case which continues to be played out on the world wide web,” said a spokeswoman. “The team has, however, been determined and persistent in following all relevant lines of enquiry, some of which have been international in nature. This adds further levels of complexity and can be time consuming.”

Addressing growing frustrations about the length of time the investigation is taking, Detective Superintendent Julian Gregory, the officer in charge, said: “I understand that people will want to know how the investigation is going, but keeping tight-lipped about what we are doing was a necessary part of our investigative strategy. Now two years on, we are reviewing the outcomes of the enquiries so far with a view to making a decision about the future.”

The force was also forced to reveal yesterday in a freedom of information response to a blogger that the investigation has not incurred any costs since February of this year and that a total of £5,649 has been spent on it over the past 12 months. In reaction to this information being made public, the police spokeswoman said that it was “relevant to note that the figures relate only to additional expenditure and do not include officer and staff time on the investigation, which is not routinely recorded”.

Further scrutiny was placed on the police investigation yesterday when Edward Markey, a Democrat congressman from Massachusetts who has long advocated for political action on climate change, called on the “US intelligence community” to assist the “British and others” in finding the perpetrator.

Further to “RalphNader’s” post about David Appell, Appell’s new blogpost apologizes to Mann and explains how at least one email had been quoted out of context which made it misleading:

I’m a little offended that you are drawing attention to these stolen emails. Quoting and or linking to articles that quote them effectively makes them more public and unnecessarily exposes the private messages of our good friends the scientists.

No that’s a fake sentiment. I don’t really care about those guys. Link away.

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